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07-12-2013, 06:47 PM
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#241
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
He was probably best, not Rosario's finest ride. Even he can't get them all perfect.
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Agreed, I mumbled to myself a bit into the turn. Bad part is i singled him in a few pools.
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07-12-2013, 06:49 PM
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#242
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CJ,,,is pace predictor based on what is left to run or the first fractions? i.e. sprint first quarter or with a 1/4 left to run? Thank you.
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07-12-2013, 06:50 PM
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#243
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Pace Projector:
1,2(tie)-4 (Favors Horses On/Near Early Lead)
Top last speed figure on surface:
3 (102) 7 (98) 1 (96)
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1-5-2 early, finished 7-2-5.
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07-12-2013, 06:51 PM
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#244
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Location: Moore, OK
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zydeco
CJ,,,is pace predictor based on what is left to run or the first fractions? i.e. sprint first quarter or with a 1/4 left to run? Thank you.
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Races less the 1 mile are projceted after 1/4 mile has been run, and > 1 mile are projected after 1/2 mile has been run.
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07-12-2013, 07:06 PM
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#245
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Races less the 1 mile are projceted after 1/4 mile has been run, and > 1 mile are projected after 1/2 mile has been run.
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Thank you
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07-12-2013, 07:12 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Bel Race 9
Pace Projector:
5-2-10
Top last speed figure on surface:
5 (80) 10 (55) 2,4 (50)
5 has two more recent races on turf, 73 two back and a 56 last out.
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07-12-2013, 07:23 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
Pace Projector:
5-2-10
Top last speed figure on surface:
5 (80) 10 (55) 2,4 (50)
5 has two more recent races on turf, 73 two back and a 56 last out.
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2-8-7 early, finished 8-2-4.
The 5 had big negatives all over him as the heavy favorite.
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07-12-2013, 08:06 PM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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This is an example of where the adjusted fractions come in handy.
The 5 horse ran this 2 back:
23.18
47.52
1:12.92
The horse was claimed for 25k (rare for a MCL race) and ran back for the same price. He didn't race for 58 days (bad sign). Then, he ran slower at every call and was really backing up despite being in the same class and running slower early. (another bad sign)
23.93 (0.75 slower)
47.93 (0.41 slower)
1:13.25 (0.33 slower)
1:28.36
Now he dropped to 16k (another bad sign). No way was this a positive scenario. Sure, these kind win sometimes, but at very low odds they are worth standing against at times.
Last edited by cj; 07-12-2013 at 09:44 PM.
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07-12-2013, 10:50 PM
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#249
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Location: Palm Beach FL but heart at Monmouth Park
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Very easy to see him backing up when one uses the incremental splits which is a nice feature in TimeformUS.
Some at the track asked me where all my CJ printouts were?
I answered I now have an IPAD and more info.. Soon to have more of CJ's info.
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07-13-2013, 08:44 AM
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Mike Schultz
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: North Carolina
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Capper Al
That's good day at the track. I'm now looking at Belmont's Saturday card if you are interested?
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Pace projection before scratches & assuming turf races stay on:
Race 1: (5-1-2)
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Race 2: (5-11-8)
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Race 3: (11-2-10)
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Race 4: (4-1-7)
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Race 5: (9-8-5)
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Race 6: (10-1-4)
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Race 7: (3-7-4)
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-------4
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Race 8: (1-9-7)
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Race 9: (3-1-2)
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Race 10: (3-6-5)
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Race 11: (7-9-11)
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07-13-2013, 08:47 AM
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#251
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Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,244
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
This is an example of where the adjusted fractions come in handy.
The 5 horse ran this 2 back:
23.18
47.52
1:12.92
The horse was claimed for 25k (rare for a MCL race) and ran back for the same price. He didn't race for 58 days (bad sign). Then, he ran slower at every call and was really backing up despite being in the same class and running slower early. (another bad sign)
23.93 (0.75 slower)
47.93 (0.41 slower)
1:13.25 (0.33 slower)
1:28.36
Now he dropped to 16k (another bad sign). No way was this a positive scenario. Sure, these kind win sometimes, but at very low odds they are worth standing against at times.
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Cj great info, imo this example is just as important as indentifying contenders.Cj what about posting vulnerable favorites like the example listed above maybe selecting one or twobraces?
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07-13-2013, 09:17 AM
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#252
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Location: Boston+Ocala
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i hate to say this, we didn't like OPPOSING PARTIES chances before the race yesterday, this goes to show you that the numbers often times know more than the owners or trainers!
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07-13-2013, 11:56 AM
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#253
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Rosario is scheduled to ride the man o war at 5:17PM. He is then sheduled to ride in race 3 at Colonial scheduled for 5:54PM. I know private jets are fast but Belmont to Colonial in 37 mins? Does Colonial have an airstrip?
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07-13-2013, 12:25 PM
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#254
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zydeco
Does Colonial have an airstrip?
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Yes, it's called the stretch.
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07-13-2013, 12:27 PM
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#255
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Quote:
Originally Posted by speed
Yes, it's called the stretch.
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Thats what I thought!
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