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08-04-2022, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CBYRacer
I guess I'm imagining these whales as more quant-geek...Ingenious and above board. For what it's worth, I consider rebate negotiation above board.
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The computer teams are ruining the game.
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08-04-2022, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by $w1fT
The computer teams are ruining the game.
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More like ruined.
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08-04-2022, 09:22 PM
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Most of us know that, while horses generally have consistent patterns, they are not race cars.
Same with physicality handicappers. While there are a few general items on a checklist, I have witnessed a number of situations that were simply unique. Sometimes I have taken an educated guess. For instance, I saw a horse with about a 4 inch cut that was slightly healed. The placement of the cut on the hip suggested it might be from a gate experience and i guessed that the horse was not going to be happy racing. After the horse ran poorly, I figured out who the owners were and asked about the cut. I had guess correctly. Such odd sights should arouse concern. I've seen many things only one time and had to make a decision as to whether to upgrade or downgrade a horse based on what I saw. It isn't all about being on the toes, being washy or being muscled. And, sometimes there is a fine line between showing positive energy and being nervous. A fine line between being naturally sweaty and being washy. There's a lot to learn about physicality. I have learned some, but I definitely learn something new with every observation.
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08-04-2022, 10:20 PM
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More like ruined.
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Yep…….and it didn’t take long
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08-05-2022, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ranchwest
Most of us know that, while horses generally have consistent patterns, they are not race cars.
Same with physicality handicappers. While there are a few general items on a checklist, I have witnessed a number of situations that were simply unique. Sometimes I have taken an educated guess. For instance, I saw a horse with about a 4 inch cut that was slightly healed. The placement of the cut on the hip suggested it might be from a gate experience and i guessed that the horse was not going to be happy racing. After the horse ran poorly, I figured out who the owners were and asked about the cut. I had guess correctly. Such odd sights should arouse concern. I've seen many things only one time and had to make a decision as to whether to upgrade or downgrade a horse based on what I saw. It isn't all about being on the toes, being washy or being muscled. And, sometimes there is a fine line between showing positive energy and being nervous. A fine line between being naturally sweaty and being washy. There's a lot to learn about physicality. I have learned some, but I definitely learn something new with every observation.
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Well said.
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08-07-2022, 07:07 PM
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West Coast paddock observations a little more "ballsy"
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08-07-2022, 07:27 PM
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Andie is one of the best out there, so glad TVG brought her out to Del Mar.
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08-07-2022, 11:17 PM
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Just another Facist
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Cannot imagine taking a shower with her
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08-08-2022, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ranchwest
Most of us know that, while horses generally have consistent patterns, they are not race cars.
Same with physicality handicappers. While there are a few general items on a checklist, I have witnessed a number of situations that were simply unique. Sometimes I have taken an educated guess. For instance, I saw a horse with about a 4 inch cut that was slightly healed. The placement of the cut on the hip suggested it might be from a gate experience and i guessed that the horse was not going to be happy racing. After the horse ran poorly, I figured out who the owners were and asked about the cut. I had guess correctly. Such odd sights should arouse concern. I've seen many things only one time and had to make a decision as to whether to upgrade or downgrade a horse based on what I saw. It isn't all about being on the toes, being washy or being muscled. And, sometimes there is a fine line between showing positive energy and being nervous. A fine line between being naturally sweaty and being washy. There's a lot to learn about physicality. I have learned some, but I definitely learn something new with every observation.
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I am in a contest where we select before Race 1. Today, in Race 2 at Saratoga, #1 Critical Threat had a full goggle over his left eye. Had I known of that odd equipment before I made my selection, I would have not had that horse as my primary selection. From the commentators, I learned that the horse was recovering from an eye infection apparently caused by kickback. The horse ran third.
Physicality includes many factors and does matter.
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08-08-2022, 01:14 PM
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I haven’t been around horses closely enough to understand nuanced physicality but I appreciate the insights of those who have and do.
One specific scenario where I put a lot of weight on what a horse looks like is lightly raced maiden claimers on the turf. We get a lot of those races in Tampa and with their often vague or nebulous turf pedigree, horses with turfy physical attributes can win despite looking hopeless on paper.
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08-09-2022, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by usfgeology
I haven’t been around horses closely enough to understand nuanced physicality but I appreciate the insights of those who have and do.
One specific scenario where I put a lot of weight on what a horse looks like is lightly raced maiden claimers on the turf. We get a lot of those races in Tampa and with their often vague or nebulous turf pedigree, horses with turfy physical attributes can win despite looking hopeless on paper.
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Can you share what some of the attributes might be? Thanks!
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08-10-2022, 05:15 PM
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Can you share what some of the attributes might be? Thanks!
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Tall, with disproportionally long legs.
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08-10-2022, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyb
Gabby Gaudet #1, and Maggie Wolfendale #2 as far as paddock preview they are without a doubt, THE BEST.
Best at breaking a race down: Blanket finish... Vic Stauffer, Andy Serling, Simon Bray, Mark Patterson, Matt Carothers.
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That's elite company. Thank you, sir.
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08-10-2022, 06:38 PM
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Can you share what some of the attributes might be? Thanks!
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Large hooves.
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08-10-2022, 08:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ranchwest
Most of us know that, while horses generally have consistent patterns, they are not race cars.
Same with physicality handicappers. While there are a few general items on a checklist, I have witnessed a number of situations that were simply unique. Sometimes I have taken an educated guess. For instance, I saw a horse with about a 4 inch cut that was slightly healed. The placement of the cut on the hip suggested it might be from a gate experience and i guessed that the horse was not going to be happy racing. After the horse ran poorly, I figured out who the owners were and asked about the cut. I had guess correctly. Such odd sights should arouse concern. I've seen many things only one time and had to make a decision as to whether to upgrade or downgrade a horse based on what I saw. It isn't all about being on the toes, being washy or being muscled. And, sometimes there is a fine line between showing positive energy and being nervous. A fine line between being naturally sweaty and being washy. There's a lot to learn about physicality. I have learned some, but I definitely learn something new with every observation.
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A cut just slightly healed? In the paddock and permitted to race? I am surprised. Very. Owner-trainer Rodney Moyers got banned from racing for a similar instance involving a likewise partially- healed wound not much bigger than the one you describe.
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