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Old 06-08-2022, 04:22 PM   #31
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this don't have anything to do with NYRA not trying to make a great card. these guys will take their horses anywhere the money is. the game is broken, top to bottom. anybody can see what's going on, NYRA is being held hostage just like all the other tracks. the game needs a complete overhaul.

the funny thing is, should the racetracks decide to do the right thing, they will not only make the game self-sufficient, but they will get more slot action dragged to their properties at the same time.
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Old 06-08-2022, 05:26 PM   #32
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If NY wasn’t paying NYRA the subsidies you would definitely be seeing much larger fields. It has zero to do with horse shortages but everything to do with politics.
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Old 06-08-2022, 05:35 PM   #33
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As far as the card goes, from a betting standpoint, it would be best to walk in the door at 3:30 PM for the eighth race and start there. Yes the best horses will be great to watch, but that’ll be all they’re good for on Saturday: watching. Certainly not for betting.
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Yes the best horses will be great to watch, but that’ll be all they’re good for on Saturday: watching. Certainly not for betting.
I suspect a number of owners have horses in the lesser races so that they can show off as a horse owner on Belmont days.
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I suspect a number of owners have horses in the lesser races so that they can show off as a horse owner on Belmont days.

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Old 06-08-2022, 08:11 PM   #36
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As far as the card goes, from a betting standpoint, it would be best to walk in the door at 3:30 PM for the eighth race and start there. Yes the best horses will be great to watch, but that’ll be all they’re good for on Saturday: watching. Certainly not for betting.
Don't even care to watch them.
Flightline is a part timer and Jackie ain't no warrior.

If I wanted to watch horses I'd watch show horses.
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Old 06-08-2022, 10:06 PM   #37
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Old 06-09-2022, 10:39 AM   #38
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Don't even care to watch them.
Flightline is a part timer and Jackie ain't no warrior.

If I wanted to watch horses I'd watch show horses.
Interesting take on Jackie's Warrior. Saturday will be the 15th start in just under two years' time, accomplished at seven different racetracks, with 10 wins in those 14 completed starts, all but the maiden win at graded stakes level. That's warrior enough for me!
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Old 06-09-2022, 10:42 AM   #39
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If I wanted to watch horses I'd watch show horses.
But why watch horses run third when you can watch them win!
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But why watch horses run third when you can watch them win!
At Bel, they only run third!
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Old 06-09-2022, 03:53 PM   #41
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Ok, gonna play a little devil's advocate here.

Sure, one could easily do a s and ALLs ticket in the P6 for $130 with a //ALL/ALL/ and have all the likely chalk/pace in the dirt races and every entry on the turf.

But let's take a look at the ""s.

R6 7F Woody Stephen's for 3YOs: Yes, Jack Christopher looks amazing, and a deserving 1/2 ML fav. However, he has but 3 career races, and essentially has had everything go his way without much trouble at all.

I'm going to make a case for the Wit in here. In his 3rd career race he was the 3/5 favorite in the G1 Hopeful at Saratoga, only to find his first real trouble stumblingly badly at the start, and just leaving way too much to do. Came back in the G1 Champagne against Jack C, and got whipped while caught inside on a bad trip in a 6 horse field.

They put him away for the year, and brought him back 7 months later in April where his typical late foot narrowly got the job done at the wire.

Can he take a huge step forward off that race and regain his early form and class, and can Pappacap really take it to Jack C a bit more than the Pat Day Mile or even Morello who also likely needs to be forwardly placed take it to Jack C a bit while he finally runs a C effort race?

R7 8.5 F&M G1 Ogden Phipps: Letruska is the class here, but this is a tough field of top end legit G1/G2 gals. Lets not forget Letruska got caught up in the flaming pace of the BC Distaff to fade to a weary 10th. She is also 6YO facing a punch of 4YOs looking to stamp themselves in this division. This is the one that I don't think anybody would be surprised if Letruska gets beat.

R9 Met Mile: Flightline is a 4YO with 3 career races and has never raced East of San Diego. Big Sandy may not be to his liking, and Speaker's Corner is 2 for 2 at BEL with possibly his best career race here back in October. Aloha West is no slouch as the defending BC Sprint champ, and if things get way too feisty upfront, Happy Saver will be coming late. Either way, Flight has a decided pace edge even against these. Maybe the horse everybody is really looking to see run; and the Met has certainly delivered some of the best performances in recent racing history in year's past.

R11 Belmont Stakes: We the People 'looks' to have a decided pace edge in here, but taking a deeper look, his front-running numbers really aren't all that great. In fact, Creative Minister and maybe even the Skippylongstocking could give him some company on the front. Now throw in Mo Donegal as the 'class' of the field with his two G2 wins on the NYRA circuit, and strong record at BEL, the Kentucky Derby champ in Rich Strike and the quality filly in Nest, and this field is pretty wide open. I don't think many will be singling this one, as this one looks like upwards of 6 horses could actually win.

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Old 06-10-2022, 06:57 AM   #42
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Parx is generally the best track out there these days for full fields at all levels. Yesterday (Tuesday) they ran 10 races. Three races had 6 horses, the rest had 8 or more.
Jamie Ness and 98% takeout throw cold water on your assertion.
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Old 06-10-2022, 10:14 AM   #43
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If NY wasn’t paying NYRA the subsidies you would definitely be seeing much larger fields. It has zero to do with horse shortages but everything to do with politics.
How does politics prevent trainers from entering horses?
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