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Old 05-27-2022, 01:22 PM   #256
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Is there a Democrat in this country with a lick of common sense? School shootings were rare in the age of Brenda Spencer when guns were easier to get. Common sense says don't blame all the mass shootings on guns and as long as half the country focuses on them the problem won't be solved.


The cause of runaway mass shootings is probably a combination of many factors, and guns aren't on the list of problems. Does anyone seriously believe a person intent on committing mass homicide would be deterred if the gun store told them no? Most of the mass shootings that are counted are done by gang bangers, but those don't stay in the news long or get no air time at all, and we all know why. Strictly enforcing felon with an illegal gun would get plenty of those guns and criminals off the streets, but the Democrats would scream racism as minorities are over represented breaking those laws.



I think raising coddled kids with 1/2 of them being medicated is a big part of the problem. A lot of these school shooters were supposedly bullied, bullies have been around forever. Why are kids that are bullied now killing masses of people, when they didn't 50 years ago?

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Old 05-27-2022, 01:31 PM   #257
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Man, what a depressing thread. Is it okay to feel that bits of all of our opinions are correct? We need God. We need better mental health. We need better school safety policy with accountability measures to execute said policies. We need a deeper background check to find some that make their way through the cracks. We need reform that addresses the ability of someone to walk into a building and execute people in a matter of seconds, and I'm well aware that's not exactly what happened in TX. Most of the world is being westernized, yet it's still not a big issue in those countries. Could we learn from others or are we just that unique? More than anything else, in my opinion, we need our elected officials to be humans when the situation calls for it, where their first thought is what can we do to solve this?
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Old 05-27-2022, 01:38 PM   #258
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The cause of runaway mass shootings is probably a combination of many factors, and guns aren't on the list of problems. Does anyone seriously believe a person intent on committing mass homicide would be deterred if the gun store told them no? Most of the mass shootings that are counted are done by gang bangers, but those don't stay in the news long or get no air time at all, and we all know why. Strictly enforcing felon with an illegal gun would get plenty of those guns and criminals off the streets, but the Democrats would scream racism as minorities are over represented breaking those laws.
I don't think many people, including Democrats, actually believe the acts of violence are caused by guns. That's not my argument anyways. But, I do believe that guns make it easier to kill people. How is that not true? There isn't a sure-fire way to prevent every act of violence involving guns. We all know that.
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Old 05-27-2022, 01:39 PM   #259
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You actually think that if the doors were all locked he would have put his guns away and gone home?


"Damn, the doors are locked. Oh well, what a dumb idea this was; guess I'll head home"
Locked doors make it harder for him to get in. Stalls him long enough that the police get to confront him outside, away from classroom packed with little kids and defenseless teachers.

So yeah, I do actually think if the doors were all locked, there is a very good chance all those people would be alive today.
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Old 05-27-2022, 01:41 PM   #260
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This is one of the questions I raised yesterday, since Texas, apparently, already has some pretty stringent school security laws on the books. Not only did this kid find an unlocked door,while walking around with his AR-15 in broad daylight, but he eluded all the campus cameras in the process of his search. How did this happen? How did he remain invisible to everyone once on the campus?
He didn't elude all the cameras. I saw a still shot from a security camera showing him walking around outside with his rifle, posted within hours of the shooting.
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Old 05-27-2022, 01:41 PM   #261
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Yes, I really believe many people do not commit crimes because they don't want to risk spending years (or the rest of their life) in jail. You don't believe that?
What kind of ridiculous question is that?
You're right, poorly worded on my part. My point was that crimes of passion or insanity like these murders are not deterred by any law. I'm sure in some bizarro world where murder was not a crime, murder for hire would be a thing.

Thinking that someone would forego murdering because buying a certain type of gun is illegal however, is just plain silly.
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Yes, I really believe many people do not commit crimes because they don't want to risk spending years (or the rest of their life) in jail. You don't believe that?
What kind of ridiculous question is that?

The fact of the matter is that he DIDN'T use a pump shot gun. Maybe he could have killed them with a knife, BUT HE DIDN'T.
He DID use an AR-15. I presume he used that because it's real easy to wipe out an entire room in about 25 seconds.
EXACTLY!!! They choose these weapons because they carry out maximum destruction in a short amount of time. Why is it hard for people to grasp this concept?
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Old 05-27-2022, 01:45 PM   #263
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The only real change that can affect human behavior must come from within. Change that comes from without is nothing but a band aid fix.
How's that been working out for the people in this country? How did it work out for those innocent kids in Columbine, or Newtown, or Uvalde? We can do better.
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If the bad guys don't pay any attention to the law then why have any laws?

The law against murder hasn't stopped them from happening.
Let's scrap it.
The law against insider trading hasn't prevented that either.
Let's scrap that law too.

Clearly those laws are not working.
What a totally stupid reply.
What's you next moron idea, eliminate bail, let dangerous felons out of jail?

Oh, wait.......

Never mind.
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EXACTLY!!! They choose these weapons because they carry out maximum destruction in a short amount of time. Why is it hard for people to grasp this concept?
In this case, he had something like a hour inside the school. A kid in another classroom said he came into their room and threatened them but did not harm anyone. Maybe he ran out of ammo, who knows. But he could have killed just as many kids with a different weapon. There is still a lot of information that hasn't come out yet.

Actually, the Border Patrol agent that killed him was shot at so he must not have run out of ammo.

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I'm not going down the rabbit hole with you. I've seen your diatribes long enough on this site. You obviously have a high degree of intelligence. But, common sense is not your strong suit.
Of course, you're not define a define a deliberately vague term. You'd rather leave that up to the elected foxes who are guarding the hens --socialist-commie beasties with evil agendas who would do anything to eventually confiscate all guns from all the people.
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You're right, poorly worded on my part. My point was that crimes of passion or insanity like these murders are not deterred by any law. I'm sure in some bizarro world where murder was not a crime, murder for hire would be a thing.

Thinking that someone would forego murdering because buying a certain type of gun is illegal however, is just plain silly.
Let's go back to Ralph's brilliant Norway bow-n-arrow analogy.
The guy was only able to kill five people. You've already agreed (I believe) that he would have killed more if he had had an AR-15.
It's not necessarily that limited access would prevent all murders, but it would surely bring the body count down.

You're right, we will never be able to stop every crazy man, but making him wait a few days before he gets a gun (maybe he will come to his senses or seek counseling), or limiting the firepower he can obtain, will SURELY save lives.

To argue otherwise is to be damned fool.
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If you think anything can be prevented with absolute certainty, then you're just being childish.

The point is that prevention works. People are alive today simply because it's illegal to murder them.
If those types of guns were not able to legally be obtained, many murders would have been prevented. Fact.

You're giving a crazy 18yr old too much credit...believing he will stop at nothing in his quest to commit mass murder.
Sometimes, when people cool off (ya know, like a waiting period to buy a gun), they come to their senses and no longer want to rage out and kill people.

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Tom wants my attention so bad

I already told him I don't converse with idiots, but he's too dumb to realize it and keeps quoting me & posing questions to me
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You actually think that if the doors were all locked he would have put his guns away and gone home?


"Damn, the doors are locked. Oh well, what a dumb idea this was; guess I'll head home"
This is the kind of thinking that prevents progress.
It would have slowed him down some. Maybe enough for some cops to get there, maybe long enough for teachers to lock down class rooms.

What single gun law do YOU propose would stop this kind of things?
Seriously, do you even believe there is ANY single solution?

Hint: there isn't one.
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