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Old 07-10-2007, 06:10 PM   #1
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??? NEW RPM CATALOG ????

I just received the ( new ) RPM catalog and must admit I was totally

disappointed. I know many people on the board could give a darn but most

of the catalog is old re-hashed systems and methods from years ago,

They even have the Beyer Elimination Method by the late Jeff Goldstein

as a ' new ' item. Unfortunately I have most of this stuff accumulated over

the years in various ways so if anyone wants any info on any (new,old)

item let me know.
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:09 AM   #2
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I would suppose the Internet has facilitated self-marketing to such an extent, and has a broader reach than any individual listing or catalog could ever have, that there's no longer a niche for that type of clearinghouse of hard-copy information related strictly to handicapping, especially when a would-be seller is paying the middleman 50% of the gross proceeds on every copy sold simply for the publicity, and then still has to absorb the cost of printing and shipping copies to the middleman out of his remaining half.

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Old 07-11-2007, 10:36 AM   #3
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RPM

Once I found out that Dave Powers, who runs RPM, and Clint Tracy, were one and the same, and he was marketing methods under both authors' names, I stopped purchasing from RPM. Too strange for me.

Did speak to Dave/Clint a couple of times - nice guy - and he did give me credit once for a method I decided to return. This was years ago.

I think he did have Overlay Handicapping in the catalogue at one time.
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:53 PM   #4
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Did you man to say "nice guys"
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Old 07-11-2007, 02:23 PM   #5
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Did you man to say "nice guys"
Hey, Clint and Dave went to high school together!
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Old 07-11-2007, 02:31 PM   #6
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I should have known that was coming!
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Old 07-11-2007, 03:29 PM   #7
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Hello,

can I reach RPM on an internet page ?
Can someone ships me the catalogue ?

I can cover postage to Germany with PayPal.

Thanks...

Greetings
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Old 07-11-2007, 04:57 PM   #8
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Hello,

can I reach RPM on an internet page ?
Can someone ships me the catalogue ?

I can cover postage to Germany with PayPal.

Thanks...

Greetings
Tim Leonhardt
Tim: This used to be their url but it no longer works:

http://www.wizardstore.com/

His contact info was/is:

RPM INFORMATION SYSTEMS
6965 El Camino Real, Suite # 105-454
Carlsbad, CA 92009
Phone: 1-800-696-0067

You probably can't reach the 800 # from overseas and I'm not even sure if it works. I could not find a business listing in the yellow pages. He had a small office in a strip mall. Sorry.
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Old 07-11-2007, 06:16 PM   #9
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I think he did have Overlay Handicapping in the catalogue at one time.
Yes, he did, but we came to a parting of the ways when I had trouble formalizing the terms of our association in writing, as I was advised to do by an attorney. (The only way I could ever communicate with Dave was by telephone.) I also did not have adequate visibility/accountability of his sales of my titles. I eventually decided I had better not put all my eggs in the RPM basket, and so branched out on my own initiative to American Turf Monthly, Gambler's Book Shop, and other outlets, before eventually starting my own direct-sale website. I don't believe I've lost out on any substantial income as a result, especially (as I say) considering that 50% of my gross sales went to RPM off the top.

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Old 07-13-2007, 12:15 PM   #10
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I have numerous methods from RPM and many are from 'long time subscribers'

who happen to be old and now just happened to sell their methods to

RPM. Do you think the systems and methods in the catalog are from all

these different authors or are a couple of guys writing the methods and

just using many other names? When the systems are actually boiled down

many are maybe one or two pages double spaced the rest is accompanied

by a workout which takes up many pages. I go through the workouts after

I see the rules and many of the systems (even the example races) are

mistake prone. They show how a horse is selected as a win bet but

you notice it is eliminated in the first elimination rule. Thats unfair
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Old 07-13-2007, 06:11 PM   #11
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I wouldn't be surprised if they are in fact by different authors. Of course, the main concern is how a product or method performs (regardless of what its source is). I think it pays to be discerning in that regard. After a while, by applying handicapping experience and judgment (concerning both the products and their developers), you can get a pretty good idea about which approaches are worth exploring further, and which aren't.
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Old 07-13-2007, 08:17 PM   #12
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Did you ever see the "gift horse method" for selecting longshots? If you take that system and look at pp's you will find an amazing number of longshots listed each day. I don't mean they won today but if you would look for a horse that was 12-1 and won at some time in the past.

I first saw it in the "Del Mar Digest" they used to publish. I was younger and naive so I took a week of vacation at Del Mar to play the system and did not cash a ticket. Got off the plane at home and went to play golf. Checked the results the next day as it was before what you could now do on the internet. I think it had a couple of bombs at del mar and a huge price at saratoga.

It was well written and seemed to make a lot of sense. If anyone would like a brief recap of the system just ask on this web page.

Woodbine R8 on 6-24-07 G1 $1 million purse. Winner pd 32.4 and was a gift h.
Monmouth R5 on 6-23-07 ngs 60k purse. Winner pd 61.8 and was a gift horse

In one of the past PP's a horse at aqu in Jan that qualified and won at 57-1
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I think if memory serves me correctly somebody came out with a

Gift Horse 2 and marketed as an entire new system. I think I remember

Gift Horse 1 back in the 80's. Is this the time frame your referring to ?
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Old 07-14-2007, 02:49 AM   #14
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Gift Horse Method

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It was well written and seemed to make a lot of sense. If anyone would like a brief recap of the system just ask on this web page.

Woodbine R8 on 6-24-07 G1 $1 million purse. Winner pd 32.4 and was a gift h.
Monmouth R5 on 6-23-07 ngs 60k purse. Winner pd 61.8 and was a gift horse
OK .... I'm asking.

(Any feel for how many plays the system would yield in, say, a week at any one track?)

Thank you.
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Old 07-14-2007, 07:44 AM   #15
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Timtam is right, there was a Gift Horse 2. I think it was a bonus to their PHQS software.
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