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Old 09-11-2009, 12:28 AM   #61
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Tweeted ( is that a verb? ) that I was betting him, and DID bet him
I believe it might be Twittered but taking into consideration Kielan's complete confusion of contractions between a simple 'your & you're'...you're a genius.
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Old 09-11-2009, 07:40 AM   #62
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1. Beyer's picks were below par as yours have been.
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1. What is par?
2. Wow, you with CIA? FBI? You got a file on Andy!

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Old 09-11-2009, 09:28 AM   #63
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The question is how much are TLG's picks worth.
More than this thread is, at least...
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Old 09-11-2009, 09:54 AM   #64
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Bringing up how many losses a public handicapper has is one of the stupidest things one could possibly do. It's like saying Albert Pujols is a bad baseball player because he doesn't get a hit 66% of the time.

And for the record, even being at or around $1.85 ROI for Saratoga is an accomplishment.

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Old 09-11-2009, 09:59 AM   #65
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The question is how much are TLG's picks worth.
and the answer is that TLG's picks are worth a significant amount, as evidenced by the amount of fans/followers in the online community, and the fact that NYRA pays him among other things to make picks.

The next question is obviously directed to Light, and it is : If you are jealous and seeking attention and attempt to discredit someone, why the **** would you choose something (like the "worth" of his picks) that happens to be a strongsuit with established and evident value? If these poor decisions are typical, you are doomed to being an insignificant annoyance.

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Bringing up how many losses a public handicapper has is one of the stupidest things one could possibly do. It's like saying Albert Pujols is a bad baseball player because he doesn't get a hit 66% of the time.

And for the record, even being at or around $1.85 ROI for Saratoga is an accomplishment.

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i don't know about the 1.85ROI thing in general (although it is very good for playing every race as was the case here) , but yes, it should be obvious to anyone with a little bit of logic that criticizing a public handicapper in this way is pretty damn clueless.
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Old 09-11-2009, 10:06 AM   #66
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Making nasty comments is only a reflection on the sad person that people around here know you to be. The people that paid attention to our show this summer in Saratoga, and year round, know the true story on what kind of information was given. The fact that my ROI was even close to $2.00 at this past Saratoga meet ( it was pennies off if you throw out off-the turf races....and since you don't know what my picks were for those races because you don't watch our shows...I know you're busy.....the least you should do is not include them. I can give you the picks if you want them ) surprises even me. But, I'm sure yours was better. I just can't find your picks.

What is nice for me, and the people I work with, is that we have the pleasure of speaking to real live people ( you know.....ones without the cowardice the internet provides sad souls like yourself ). It's funny how different their behavoir is than yours. Then again, they were also functioning members of society.
Tlg, it is true, those that follow the show, know the quality, know the time and the skill that is involved in producing it each day. Of course, like all things that are group efforts, its only as good as the sum of its parts, you being--part. Not the entire show. As long as TVG has been on air, as long as their hosts, their analysts/handicappers have been knocked in the dirt online, here or elsewhere--and, as long as I've been reading the DRF, none of either organization's (public) handicappers have responded online to argue their skill, or their ROI with pixels. There's beneficial reasoning behind this, I expect. As a professional, and as a spokesperson for NYRA, you may want to question your need to get pulled into and involved with contentiously vehement disagreements such as this one. Online detractors can, and do voice their opinions each day, they can also produce data to back up those opinions--and that's fine. The professional, though, is wise to leave the majority of it unattended.

Whose remarks is one to believe will be noted more closely and remembered? The pixel or the professional?

My money's on the professional.

Unintended incessant rambling on my part? I hope not; only an observation. Choose one's battles more selectively.
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Not for nothing. but it would be interesting to see what type of races were profitable and what the figure would be without NY bred races......
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Bringing up how many losses a public handicapper has is one of the stupidest things one could possibly do. It's like saying Albert Pujols is a bad baseball player because he doesn't get a hit 66% of the time.
I went by ROI which is equivalent to a batting average. If you think TLG is on the level equivalent to Albert Pujols in baseball then show me the stats. Albert has them. You have nothing but a biased opinion. I have nothing against TLG personally. I'm just interested in the facts of his supposedly "great" handicapping.They are not that "great".


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And for the record, even being at or around $1.85 ROI for Saratoga is an accomplishment.

You want to settle for that,go for it. I got better things to do with my life than lose 15 cents on every 2 dollars I play with.
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I would have guessed that losing about 17% would be par - that is par for the crowd. So losing 7$ is above par.
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I went by ROI which is equivalent to a batting average. If you think TLG is on the level equivalent to Albert Pujols in baseball then show me the stats. Albert has them. You have nothing but a biased opinion. I have nothing against TLG personally. I'm just interested in the facts of his supposedly "great" handicapping.They are not that "great".





You want to settle for that,go for it. I got better things to do with my life than lose 15 cents on every 2 dollars I play with.
Actually, if you had followed my picks on capitalotb.com you would have made $0.10 on each $2 you wagered at Saratoga.

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The next question is obviously directed to Light, and it is : If you are jealous and seeking attention and attempt to discredit someone, why the **** would you choose something (like the "worth" of his picks)
First I am not jealous nor seeking attention. Why would I be jealous of a loser? That goes against human nature. I don't need attention either. It is TLG's defenders who are giving the attention,I'm not seeking it.

Second,as I mentioned many times, it was the noise from his followers that caused me to pay attention to his picks. Is he really that good? If he was,then that would be great. I could throw away the form and just catch a ride on a +20% or so ROI guy. But I dont just blindly jump in the water. I got to know this is real. It's obviously not.
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I believe it might be Twittered but taking into consideration Kielan's complete confusion of contractions between a simple 'your & you're'...you're a genius.
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Hey jingle boy it's keilan with a small k and ei not ie, 6 letters too much for you!! Are you and boxcar related or just the same mother?
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I would have guessed that losing about 17% would be par - that is par for the crowd. So losing 7$ is above par.
I dont know anyone who cares to live up to a par if it means losing money,even if it is the norm.

I mean can you go home after a day at the races to your wife and say "honey,guess what,I played above par" and she'll say,"great,how much did we win?".Then try to explain your loss with par specs and watch as she leaves the room and slams the door in your face.
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I got better things to do with my life than lose 15 cents on every 2 dollars I play with.
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