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Old 02-22-2017, 11:55 PM   #106
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I'll just point out that the PA can be rife with name calling, and the party doing the name calling is just as often the right wingers.

Where I shake my head is at statements like "those who advocate unfettered illegal immigration and wide open borders for migrant Muslim haters."
Europe is being overun and destroyed thanks to unfettered immigration and wide open borders by Muslim haters and criminals, plain and simple. Just because countries gave them all a green light with their One Europe policy doesn't make these rioters right, do they? And you don't know this? See this? Have read about it? You must be kidding, feigning ignorance.

You could be in denial all you'd want to, Rich, but try and open your eyes for a change. And the reason the European Union is burning to the ground and their women are regularly being raped is because of these same haters -- they being Syrian and other Islamic 'migrants' that are over-running France, Belguim, Germany, and Sweden.

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I can't think of a kind word to describe anyone who actually believes that. I don't know everyone in the world, but I can honestly say of all the people I know not a single one would fall into that category. Of all the politicians and public figures in this country, not a single one has ever made that statement. Perhaps it is a French thing, but as far as I can tell it is not an American thing.
I am not looking for any kind words, if truth be known. The Muslims and socialist activists feed on the weakness of people such as yourself, so I am not worried how people feel about me or my willingness to shed some light on the issue.

The free world is under assault and once more I say to you: open your eyes. Political figures here and especially in the EU not only ignore what is happening but will get tough with people who publicly call out what is really happening to their country.

You never mentioned the contents of the clip I posted. What do you think about the clip? Did you watch it?
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Old 02-23-2017, 07:43 AM   #108
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I did read it a few years ago, and I referred back to it today to answer the Marxist claims.
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/alinsky.htm
The website above uses select, carefully selected quotes from the book to advance the claim that Alinsky was a communist. A closer examination of all that he wrote proves this is not the case.
Maybe you should research the path Alinsky took to arrive at his "Rules."

Alinsky never formally joined the communist party. In fact, he never joined any organization, even those he helped to found. However, he was undeniably inspired by the works of Marx and Lenin. He took terms that had been used by them and recycled them to brand them as his own:

Lenin and Marx talked of "the proletariat taking control from the bourgeoisie."

Alinsky championed the "have nots taking control from the haves."

Same thing in my book. Just different words for revolution in order to install a system of redistribution of wealth and power.

Lenin and Marx wanted revolution to implement socialism which would give way to a system of pure communism.

Alinsky didn't use those words. He - once again - recycled those words in order to make them sound as though they were his own. His words for "socialism" were "social justice." An examination of what he meant by social justice was basically taking from the haves and giving to the have nots.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... well, you know the rest.

Regardless of whether or not you admit that Alinsky's roots were in Marxist ideology, one thing is certain: his "rules," which was basically a recipe for bringing about change of the social and political orders, were adopted by the latter day Marxists to gain power.

The original premise of my post was to make a distinction between Marxism-Leninism and Alinskyite Marxism.

The point I made is that Alinskyite Marxists are more likely to follow his prescription of fomenting revolution through infiltrating existing power establishments, i.e. the ballot box, than through violent revolution which would be the domain of Marxist Leninists.

If you did some research, you'd know that Alinsky was a proponent of Antonio Gramsci's method of gradualism. Gramsci was an Italian communist who opposed violence to bring about the desired result, instead favoring a measured approach using existing institutions to slowly - over a period of years if not decades - to achieve revolution.

You cherry picked a couple of quotes in an attempt to make some point. You should proof read them before you cut and paste them.

Here's the real quote:

"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism."

Also, you said that Alinsky was Jewish. Then how do you reconcile saying in the next breath:

"Alinsky writes. "Dogma is the enemy of freedom. Dogma must be watched for and Apprehended at every turn and twist of the revolutionary movement."

Is there anything more dogmatic than communism; unless it is Christianity-or any religion?"


I agree. So why does Alinsky disapprove of something as dogmatic as religion while maintaining his ties to Judaism?

Sounds hypocritical to me.

But then again, Marxism always has largely been "do as I say, not as I do."
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Old 02-23-2017, 09:15 AM   #109
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The same idiots who call themselves Democrats, liberals and socialists is this country -- namely those who advocate unfettered illegal immigration and wide open borders for migrant Muslim haters are simply too stupid to see what happens to a society when a country is no longer a sovereign nation.

The above clip comes by way of Paris and is but a small view of what happens to such a society. Pay attention because you won't get this on NBC, CBS, BBC, MSNBC and the rest of the fake news crowd.

In time the great Marine Le Pen will become President of France and she'll get things started by turning back the Muslims and social democrat haters and make France great again.

Le Pen will have an ally in Donald Trump as he lead us and returns America to it's role as the unquestioned leader of the free world.
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Most of the violent protestors are spoiled brats raised by liberal spoiled brats. They naturally go left where chances are way-way better of getting their way, getting hand-outs, and cry with others like them till they get it.
If all else fails, they turn to violence.
This isn't really rocket science, is it?
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Fortunately? Now that's funny. I have Liberal friends. I still interact with them. There are some great people on this board that are Liberal. Well educated people that I find fun to be around. Although since I moved to Texas I haven't seen them for awhile. I think having different opinions in your circle is good for everyone.

The few liberal friends I have went off the deep end since the election. They are pretty much unbearable to talk to, one is so far gone I told him a very dear friend of mine died that he also interacted with years ago and he just kept ranting about his bad day. After he stopped fuming he said "What else happened this week beside Lou dying?" My Aunt who lives in Mexico (The only relative I speak with) is liberal and she seems just fine, the other ones aren't.
Maybe your liberal friends are respectable like my Aunt, mine turned into condescending jerks.
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Maxine Waters a lying moron.
she should aspire to raise herself to the level of scumbag.
Because she is a total 100% disgrace to the nation. Her and he ilk should be deported.

You mean the Maxine Waters that claimed the CIA smuggled cocaine into the inner cities and sold it to citizens. You really have to wonder how such a piece of trash keeps getting re-elected.
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Europe is being overun and destroyed thanks to unfettered immigration and wide open borders by Muslim haters and criminals, plain and simple. Just because countries gave them all a green light with their One Europe policy doesn't make these rioters right, do they? And you don't know this? See this? Have read about it? You must be kidding, feigning ignorance.

You could be in denial all you'd want to, Rich, but try and open your eyes for a change. And the reason the European Union is burning to the ground and their women are regularly being raped is because of these same haters -- they being Syrian and other Islamic 'migrants' that are over-running France, Belguim, Germany, and Sweden.



I am not looking for any kind words, if truth be known. The Muslims and socialist activists feed on the weakness of people such as yourself, so I am not worried how people feel about me or my willingness to shed some light on the issue.

The free world is under assault and once more I say to you: open your eyes. Political figures here and especially in the EU not only ignore what is happening but will get tough with people who publicly call out what is really happening to their country.

You never mentioned the contents of the clip I posted. What do you think about the clip? Did you watch it?
I don't think it is a case of denial. The situation in Europe is different than it is in America, and I should have been clearer that I don't think any American group, politician or public figure has ever suggested the borders should be thrown open Euro style. Nobody has suggested that the current vetting process should be abbreviated for refugees. If the clip and the posting were meant as a warning, I don't know who needs reminding in this country.

I believe the situation in Europe is complicated. For one thing, they don't have the same vetting process we do. Except for Cubans, if you just show up you don't get into America. You simply can't let tens of thousands of people from a culturally very different place, without vetting, and not expect problems. Most of the refugees that have been resettled in America have been sponsored, often by church groups. I've been to France and I've seen what amount to ghettos where they have packed in people and made almost no effort to assimilate them. The unemployment is high, the prospects for those people bleak. My point is that Europe never adopted a system as we have.

There is no feigning ignorance. We're talking apples and oranges. The situation is Europe is not the situation in America, and my point was that there is no one in America arguing for open borders or allowing in hordes of refugees without any vetting and no plan to resettle them. Whatever mistakes Europe is making, America is not making them.

I simply don't buy your argument about weakness. I've said on a number of occasions that we should have secure borders. That we should have an effective vetting process for immigrants. That we should have sponsored resettlement plans Where we depart is that I'm fine with the humanitarian resettlement of refugees in America. As I said, I know of no political figure in this country who believes we should fling open the borders. Europe isn't burning to the ground nor is there a rape epidemic in places like Sweden, at least not if you believe the statistics. Let me say clearly that there are problems with immigrants in Europe, but a lot of the hyperbole comes from the alt-right and anti-immigrant press (like Breitbart). Ironically, I did open my eyes - in Europe.

While we can agree about the need to have a strong immigration process, we can still disagree on whether refugees from war-torn middle eastern counties should be allowed in after vetting. And while we can agree that there are issues in Europe, we are going to disagree about the hyperbolic characterization of rioting, crime and rape. Don't assume unless you are over the top you are naive or in denial. There are a lot of emotions at work, not the least of which is fear. I'm simply of the opinion there is a place for compassion. I get that you think letting anyone in is dangerous. I just don't think you are correct.
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You mean the Maxine Waters that claimed the CIA smuggled cocaine into the inner cities and sold it to citizens. You really have to wonder how such a piece of trash keeps getting re-elected.
She sounds like a nutcase. Nothing like that has happened since the '80s...
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There are a lot of emotions at work, not the least of which is fear. I'm simply of the opinion there is a place for compassion. I get that you think letting anyone in is dangerous. I just don't think you are correct.
American's Safety "first and foremost", then Compassion.....

Letting just anyone in, is not wise, and is very incorrect, and quite unsafe, imo....

If the government can't or won't protect us from our enemies, then who will protect us...?
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There are a lot of emotions at work, not the least of which is fear. I'm simply of the opinion there is a place for compassion. I get that you think letting anyone in is dangerous. I just don't think you are correct.
American's Safety "first and foremost", then Compassion.....

Letting just anyone in, is not wise, and is very incorrect, and quite unsafe, imo....

If the government can't or won't protect us from our enemies, then who will protect us...?
You misunderstood me. When I said "letting anyone in" I didn't mean just anyone. I was saying, "I get that you think letting a single Muslim in is dangerous." As in, you believe we shouldn't let anyone in at all.

I said a few times nobody should get in without proper vetting. That is the same as saying they shouldn't let just anyone in.

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I was wrong. You're not a moron. You're insane.
Your girl lost, my guy won. Get over it before your head explodes ! BTW, been to Denver and it is the liberal bastion of the USA along with the rest of the Pacific Northwest
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Yesterday, as Rochester Ny spent the day in debating and then voting unanimously to continue to be a sanctuary city, within 6 hours:

7 people were shot
2 people were run over on purpose with a car

Same day i Chicago - 2 people shot.

I would say Rochester is a place you from sanctuary FROM, not IN.

Same mayor who is so concerned with illegals cannot protect her own US citizens, and last year, she bull dozed a camp of homeless and threw all of their belongings into an incinerator.

Mayor Lover Warren is a nazi and a POS.

People who support sanctuary cities are not filt to be Americans.
That is who should "mass rounded up" moved out.

Insane for call Denver what it it?
You should lead the line out of here.

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Your girl lost, my guy won. Get over it before your head explodes ! BTW, been to Denver and it is the liberal bastion of the USA along with the rest of the Pacific Northwest
I've noticed that having no realistic idea of what you are talking about doesn't seem to stop you from spewing any uninformed thing that escapes your brain and makes it to your mouth. You clearly know little about Denver, as well as geography. Denver is neither a bastion of liberal thought by any objective measure, nor is it geographically in the Pacific Northwest. It isn't even in the Pacific time zone. In fact, it is about the same distance from Denver to Cleveland as from Denver to Seattle. While Tom has moved to the completely bat-shit crazy category - and I say that as objectively and without malice as possible - you unfortunately still anchor the moron wing of PA. What I find most fascinating is how being clueless is often such a point of pride for you.

No surprise you think your guy won. Your perspective is so slanted it would take you light years just to migrate from the far, far right to the center.
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