Penn National Vets in very hot water

[Donttellmeshowme]

Originally Posted by Tom

I understand that, but I am looking at race horses.
Are you allowed to bring you drug kits to the track with you, or are they banned from the premises.

Vets can bring the necessary equipment with them to treat a horse at the track or the farm.


Trainers cannot bring that equipment to treat a horse at the track.


Trainers can bring that equipment to treat a horse at the farm but that is illegal.


Hope that helps.

[Saratoga_Mike]

Originally Posted by Donttellmeshowme

Trainers can bring that equipment to treat a horse at the farm but that is illegal.


Hope that helps.

No, it isn't illegal and it doesn't help. Horse on farm presents with colic; the vet is unavailable. Trainer gives horse a banamine shot. Trainer did not commit a crime.

[Donttellmeshowme]

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike

No, it isn't illegal and it doesn't help. Horse on farm presents with colic; the vet is unavailable. Trainer gives horse a banamine shot. Trainer did not commit a crime.

Im talking about injecting on a farm not bute-lasix-or banamine

[BreadandButter]

Originally Posted by Tom

So you can buy drugs and syringes as long as you only use on your property?
But you can't inject at the track?

That's true with the race commission and states that I'm familiar with. To give you an example (this just happens to be with greyhounds).

A number of years ago the main supplier of testosterone pills was having trouble meeting the demand. The only source readily available was needles/syringes. Since those are not legally permitted at the track or compounds, kennels had to load up their trucks with the females and drive off site - administer the shots - take the racers right back.

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by Donttellmeshowme

Nope its illegal even on the farm. Have to be licensed to hold a needle.

maybe in your state. no other states that I'm aware of. care to explain places like Tractor Supply that sell said needles lol.

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by Donttellmeshowme

Im talking about injecting on a farm not bute-lasix-or banamine

injecting what? banamine and lasix are only in injectable form.

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Have any of you guys seen the Michael Gill video about Penn National?
It seems (if his evidence is true) he does a decent job of putting the puzzle pieces together.

http://www.stateofcorruption.org/201...of-tracks.html

[turninforhome10]

Originally Posted by Donttellmeshowme

Vets can bring the necessary equipment with them to treat a horse at the track or the farm.


Trainers cannot bring that equipment to treat a horse at the track.


Trainers can bring that equipment to treat a horse at the farm but that is illegal.


Hope that helps.

Where do you get your info. It is bad. As being in the business for 15 years in both racing and farm owner you are really selling bad info here. At the track you are allowed to have oral meds if you have a script and are following treatment guidelines as prescribed by the vet. No injectables of any kind. At the farm you are allowed to use injectables. Why on earth anyone would use lasix on the farm is beyond me, but as far as banamine or any other prescribed meds go, your vet gives you the meds with a treatment plan and you follow the directions. You think a vet is going to come out everyday and inject your PenG, your crazy. If it is available OTC you go to tractor supply see the link. http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/stor...ibiotics_facet
Always had a bottle of banamine or demosedan on hand to treat a horse. First thing my vet would tell me on the phone, give some banamine and keep them walking, I will be there as soon as I can. Half the time the banamine would calm them down enough they would poop before the vet ever got there.
At the stallion farm I worked at, I was responsible for dosing the stallions with demosedan before the farriers came to ensure that no one got hurt. I was responsible for adminstering Lutalyse to mares as prescribed by our reproductive vet.
This thread has so much bad info.
Why don't we qualify our answers by stating if you really know what you are talking about or if you are projecting what you think the laws are.

[chadk66]

Originally Posted by turninforhome10

Where do you get your info. It is bad. As being in the business for 15 years in both racing and farm owner you are really selling bad info here. At the track you are allowed to have oral meds if you have a script and are following treatment guidelines as prescribed by the vet. No injectables of any kind. At the farm you are allowed to use injectables. Why on earth anyone would use lasix on the farm is beyond me, but as far as banamine or any other prescribed meds go, your vet gives you the meds with a treatment plan and you follow the directions. You think a vet is going to come out everyday and inject your PenG, your crazy. If it is available OTC you go to tractor supply see the link. http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/stor...ibiotics_facet
At the stallion farm I worked at, I was responsible for dosing the stallions with demosedan before the farriers came to ensure that no one got hurt. I was responsible for adminstering Lutalyse to mares as prescribed by our reproductive vet.
This thread has so much bad info.
Why don't we qualify our answers by stating if you really know what you are talking about or if you are projecting what you think the laws are.

yea it's rather perplexing isn't it.

[Ruffian1]

Originally Posted by turninforhome10

Where do you get your info. It is bad. As being in the business for 15 years in both racing and farm owner you are really selling bad info here. At the track you are allowed to have oral meds if you have a script and are following treatment guidelines as prescribed by the vet. No injectables of any kind. At the farm you are allowed to use injectables. Why on earth anyone would use lasix on the farm is beyond me, but as far as banamine or any other prescribed meds go, your vet gives you the meds with a treatment plan and you follow the directions. You think a vet is going to come out everyday and inject your PenG, your crazy. If it is available OTC you go to tractor supply see the link. http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/stor...ibiotics_facet
At the stallion farm I worked at, I was responsible for dosing the stallions with demosedan before the farriers came to ensure that no one got hurt. I was responsible for adminstering Lutalyse to mares as prescribed by our reproductive vet.
This thread has so much bad info.
Why don't we qualify our answers by stating if you really know what you are talking about or if you are projecting what you think the laws are.

Amen to that.

[proximity]

Originally Posted by Saratoga_Mike

No, it isn't illegal and it doesn't help. Horse on farm presents with colic; the vet is unavailable. Trainer gives horse a banamine shot. Trainer did not commit a crime.

did anyone ever see the episode of mash where pierce and hunnicutt treated the colonel's horse for colic?

if penn national was open back then they woulda been ed bain's!!!!!

[Donttellmeshowme]

Originally Posted by chadk66

injecting what? banamine and lasix are only in injectable form.

come on Chad im talking joints. Im talking injecting hocks, stifles, ankles, knees. Its illegal as all get out on the farm or on the track if a trainer is doing the injecting and hes not licensed.

[Donttellmeshowme]

Originally Posted by Bluto Blutarsky

Have any of you guys seen the Michael Gill video about Penn National?
It seems (if his evidence is true) he does a decent job of putting the puzzle pieces together.

http://www.stateofcorruption.org/201...of-tracks.html

That video definetely has some legs for sure. Hes done a damn good of piecing it together.

[Donttellmeshowme]

Originally Posted by turninforhome10

Where do you get your info. It is bad. As being in the business for 15 years in both racing and farm owner you are really selling bad info here. At the track you are allowed to have oral meds if you have a script and are following treatment guidelines as prescribed by the vet. No injectables of any kind. At the farm you are allowed to use injectables. Why on earth anyone would use lasix on the farm is beyond me, but as far as banamine or any other prescribed meds go, your vet gives you the meds with a treatment plan and you follow the directions. You think a vet is going to come out everyday and inject your PenG, your crazy. If it is available OTC you go to tractor supply see the link. http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/stor...ibiotics_facet
Always had a bottle of banamine or demosedan on hand to treat a horse. First thing my vet would tell me on the phone, give some banamine and keep them walking, I will be there as soon as I can. Half the time the banamine would calm them down enough they would poop before the vet ever got there.
At the stallion farm I worked at, I was responsible for dosing the stallions with demosedan before the farriers came to ensure that no one got hurt. I was responsible for adminstering Lutalyse to mares as prescribed by our reproductive vet.
This thread has so much bad info.
Why don't we qualify our answers by stating if you really know what you are talking about or if you are projecting what you think the laws are.

Let me clarify myself.


Im not talking about oral meds or lasix. When i say treatment im saying injecting joints. It is ILLEGAL for a trainer that is not licensed to inject at the farm, at the track, at his house, in his bathroom, at the city bar, etc etc. Now is it done at the farm? Yep sure is. Is it done at the track? Not really but ive seen trainers inject there own horses at the track.

[turninforhome10]

Originally Posted by Donttellmeshowme

Let me clarify myself.


Im not talking about oral meds or lasix. When i say treatment im saying injecting joints. It is ILLEGAL for a trainer that is not licensed to inject at the farm, at the track, at his house, in his bathroom, at the city bar, etc etc. Now is it done at the farm? Yep sure is. Is it done at the track? Not really but ive seen trainers inject there own horses at the track.

Why don't you show us the PA code of laws where this is stated. And you have been there and actually seen a joint injection? What meds were used. Enlighten us.