WHY ALL THE DEMOCRAT BASHING??

[jognlope]

It's why Obama and the Dems hate America that they funded last year the Alliance for American Manufacturing, and bunch of companies like Alcoa are training people have the skills in manufacturing and they go on to have meaningful skilled job. And a health care based on arithemetic, not socialism, that the more people who share the cost of health care, the lost the cost will be per person. There would be much more, but out of love for themselves and not the country, the Repugs filibustered over 280 attempts by the Dems to do other things.

[Ocala Mike]

jognlope, you used arithmetic and Repugs in the same posting; don't you know they don't mix.

Seems to me that the D's had GPS, printed maps, timetables, and a route to electoral victory, while the R's were like the guy lost on the road who refuses to stop and ask for directions.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

while the R's were like the guy lost on the road who refuses to stop and ask for directions.

You forgot the part about the R's getting beaten up by the MSM at every rest stop along the road....

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by jognlope

... And a health care based on arithemetic, not socialism, that the more people who share the cost of health care, the lost the cost will be per person. ...

I really can't wait to see how this arithmetic works.

[HUSKER55]

A man goes onto business to make a profit. That is called capitalism.

Now if you are a dem then I guess all of the profit goes to anyone except the person who owns the business?

[Capper Al]

Originally Posted by HUSKER55

A man goes onto business to make a profit. That is called capitalism.

Now if you are a dem then I guess all of the profit goes to anyone except the person who owns the business?

What world are you in?

[PaceAdvantage]

Probably the same world where some Dems think all Reps are racist old white guys busy waging war on women.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

Probably the same world where some Dems think all Reps are racist old white guys busy waging war on women.

There's a stereotype that Reps are old racist white guys who dont think women are their equals. Does the stereotype have any merit at all? Well, its up to all of us to decide that on our own.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Stillriledup

Does the stereotype have any merit at all?

All stereotypes have at least some merit, or they wouldn't exist in the first place.

[Stillriledup]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

All stereotypes have at least some merit, or they wouldn't exist in the first place.

Makes sense, i agree.

[JustRalph]

Originally Posted by johnhannibalsmith

I really can't wait to see how this arithmetic works.

Here's a second to that motion.

Try this arithmetic

Add 30 million people with almost free healthcare to a system that is completely stretched to its limit now.

Cut payments to hospitals and Doc's by 30%

Do nothing to eradicate the nursing shortage

Cut the pay across the board in Hospitals (ancillary non medical positions) due to the 30 % loss hospitals will endure. At minimum pay freezes will be permanent.

Add all this fancy arithmetic up and what do you think your healthcare looks like?

Private Doctors and Nurses for the rich will become common. That's on the horizon.

[Tom]

Put a tax on medical devices and wave good bye to all the jobs that are now in the process heading south. More democrat arithmetic!


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...306687070.html

The 2.3% tax will be charged to manufacturers on each sale and takes effect in January. Many U.S. device companies, in response, have already announced layoffs, canceled plans for domestic expansion and slashed research-and-development budgets. This month, Welch Allyn—a maker of stethoscopes and blood-pressure cuffs—announced that it will lay off 10% of its global workforce over the next three years, but all of the jobs being cut are in the U.S.

[jognlope]

Yes I'm also eager to see the breast cancer patient who needs another round of therapy doing her arithmetic and not have to add "additional life saving treatment" to the bankruptcy column.

[jognlope]

Medicare payments will be cut incrementally over 10 years. Doctors and hospitals have been charging for all other patients to cover or "cost shift" the lower income from Medicare and Medicaid since the 1970s. It's a non-issue. And check the stock page for insurance companies.

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by jognlope

Yes I'm also eager to see the breast cancer patient who needs another round of therapy doing her arithmetic and not have to add "additional life saving treatment" to the bankruptcy column.

Yes, I know. It is easy to overlook all of the realities to only focus on the "feelgood" aspects of legislation without a care for the consequences that may not be so "feelgood". It's fine to acknowledge what may be good, but you also have to recognize what may be bad.

What about the woman who thinks that she may have found a lump and is tied up in the red tape while her cancer progresses from stage I to stage III?

Perhaps the best known example of this approach has been Massachusetts, which since 2006 has mandated that every resident obtain health insurance and those that are below the federal poverty level gain free access to health care. But although the state has the second-highest ratio of primary care physicians to population of any state, they are struggling with access to primary care physicians.

Dr. Randy Wexler of The John Glenn Institute of Public Service and Policy said he has concerns that this trend could be reflected nationwide.

"Who is going to care for these people?" he said. "We are going to have problems just like Massachusetts. [They] are struggling with access problems; it takes one year to get into a primary care physician. Coverage does not equal access."

...

"Looking at shear reality, we can't turn on a spigot and drop out new doctors," he said. "Expect long waits if we cannot figure out how to resolve it, the only place left to go for primary care will be the emergency room."

Green's outlook was not as rosy.

"[Patients] won't be able to see a primary care physician hardly," he said. "Primary care will be past saturated with wait times longer and will not accept any new patients. There will be an increase in hospitalizations and increase in death rates for basic preventable things like hypertension that was not managed adequately."

So, if you want to cite computational hypotheticals about women not going bankrupt because of the law, can we also take a look at the computational hypotheticals of being short about 50,000 primary care physicians? What about the people that won't go bankrupt because of their disease, because they may not ever get a chance to have it treated and rack up those bills before expiring? Is that a better scenario?

Things are rarely perfect. For every upside there tends to be a downside. I'm a little curious if and when someone like yourself can acknowledge the downsides or if you remain in a permanent state of rebutting any criticism with tales of women that won't go bankrupt because of treatment - even if one of the downsides is the reality that there's credible evidence to suggest that many of those women that had insurance and paid their premiums diligently will now be negatively affected at the diagnostic stage of the game.

http://news.yahoo.com/doc-shortage-c...ws-health.html

(courtest of ABC/Obama news, not Breitbart or FOX)