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07-10-2012, 11:03 AM
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Putting an end to Beyer type speed ratings
Is there an alternative... any ideas?
Mike
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07-10-2012, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by TrifectaMike
Is there an alternative... any ideas?
Mike
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What do you mean by this? There are speed figure alternatives out there. The question is, do you consider those to be "Beyer-type"?
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07-10-2012, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by jeebus1083
What do you mean by this? There are speed figure alternatives out there. The question is, do you consider those to be "Beyer-type"?
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Yes, I do.
Mike
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07-10-2012, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by TrifectaMike
Yes, I do.
Mike
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I think I have done just that with my latest project. I developed totally new speed charts, incorporate pace, and also have completely overhauled the variant making procedure.
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07-10-2012, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TrifectaMike
Is there an alternative... any ideas?
Mike
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Why not do your own?
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07-10-2012, 11:56 AM
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I would also say we need a definition of "Beyer style".
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07-10-2012, 12:32 PM
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What I am thinking of is a time measure based metric, which doesn't require distance or variant adjustment...etc.
Mike
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07-10-2012, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
I think I have done just that with my latest project. I developed totally new speed charts, incorporate pace, and also have completely overhauled the variant making procedure.
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i would like to see those new figures if that would be possible please
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07-10-2012, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
i would like to see those new figures if that would be possible please
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They aren't available for the public yet, sorry.
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07-10-2012, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TrifectaMike
What I am thinking of is a time measure based metric, which doesn't require distance or variant adjustment...etc.
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I'm not sure how you could ever get anything useful without some type of track speed measurement.
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07-10-2012, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by lamboguy
i would like to see those new figures if that would be possible please
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Shhhhhhh! Here's a few of them.....
67, 55, 76, 81
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07-10-2012, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TrifectaMike
What I am thinking of is a time measure based metric, which doesn't require distance or variant adjustment...etc.
Mike
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You should collaborate with Cratos. He used to post here--can probably PM him. You two seem to be of like minds.
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07-10-2012, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TrifectaMike
Is there an alternative... any ideas?
Mike
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Mine are. They aren't Beyer-style at all, but still based on time (I'm not going to say how). They also incorporate pace, track variant, track configuration and weight.
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07-10-2012, 04:54 PM
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What's wrong with Beyers other than they are bet down?
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07-10-2012, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
I think I have done just that with my latest project. I developed totally new speed charts, incorporate pace, and also have completely overhauled the variant making procedure.
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Without revealing any proprietary information, could you expand on your method of computing variants? That seems to be an area that needs serious revision in most approaches to speed and pace analysis, and I am curious how you resolved (are resolving) it.
Again, I am not asking you to give away the candy store, but more a brief explanation of your conceptual approach to making variants.
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