Trayvon Martin

[newtothegame]

Originally Posted by lsbets

Cell phone records back up her account.

And who is the witness to that part of it? Zimmerman. Surely if you think Martin's girlfriend is biased you would think he is too. Or are you talking about the other witness, who by his account did not see how the fight started. If you are talking about him, there is nothing contradictory in what he said and what Martin's girlfriend has said.

cell phones only veirfy there was a conversation...not what was said.....again, do you think she is unbiased? versus an actual witness who SAW who was on the ground and in what positions?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by bigmack

Sure. I grieve every death, everywhere. Just like you.

I just try and use common sense in life. If a person dies sky diving, while tragic, it goes with the gig.

If you choose to go beat down someone because they're following you or they ask you what you're doing there, well, enough already...

We'll see how this plays out. I know you're rooting for the nerd to rot in jail.

Good for you.

That "nerd" as you put it has a record of hitting a police officer as well as his fiance.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by boxcar

I might. But I wouldn't consider it as an assault upon my person. All of a sudden, self-defense has become redefined to include how many kinds of real or perceived "hostile" acts? How 'bout, I'm walking down the street and a black guy wearing a hoodie gives me a really angry hostile look and follows me with his eyes. Would that be justification for me to go over and pop the guy upside his jaw?

Or I'm walking down the street and some black guy starts swearing at me and yelling racial epithets, would I then be justified in taking out my brass knuckles because I didn't care much for his brand of hostility-laden free speech?

Where do you draw the line? I know where I would draw the line because I know where that line is biblically drawn. And I have a strong suspicion that if Martin hadn't acted in ignorance and knew where that line was drawn, he would probably be alive today -- assuming, of course, Zim didn't initiate the physical contact that ensued between them.

Did not even Jesus say, hyperbolically, "to turn the other cheek". In other words, do all in your power to avoid conflicts. It's not surprising at all that the world's wisdom teaches us to do differently.

Boxcar

Yes or No...

A guy is following you around in his car, you try to avoid him, he pursues, he then gets out of the car and walks up to you...

Hostile? Yes or no?

[bigmack]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

That "nerd" as you put it has a record of hitting a police officer as well as his fiance.

Stop the idiocy.

TM was caught with a pile of women's jewelry and a screwdriver.

Where'd you get the jewelry? he was asked. A friend gave it to me, he answered. What's the name of your friend? I don't know, he answered.

So now what, a Mexican Standoff between BS you wanna bring vrs. mine?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

I'm sorry but what else do we have left to explain it?

"Man that kid sure picked the wrong guy to stand his ground with..."

Seriously...?

That could very well sum up the unfortunate incident. Seriously. I used the following scripture once to make a similar point, and I took some heat for it -- but I don't care. I won't consider any heat on this thread to be hostile action.

Job 4:8
8 "According to what I have seen, those who plow iniquity
And those who sow trouble harvest it.
NASB

Again, there were other courses of action infinitely more prudent that Martin could have taken rather than choosing to cold cock Zim. And this is not to say that Zim couldn't have done things differently either -- but just because one guy's behavior is dumb shouldn't communicate to your brain that you should follow suit with an equally or even dumber action! Maybe Zim isn't the brightest tool in the shed and he inadvertently got himself into a bad situation. But Maybe Martin read the whole thing wrong and decided it was time for him to flex his Black Pride muscle or some such thing. So, now he just exacerbates a bad situation instead of stepping back and trying to evaluate it more, and verbalizing his concerns to Zim.

Or the above text would also apply if Zim is really the evil, racist, malevolent culprit out to stir up trouble. Well, if that's the case, chances are good the Grand Jury will send this case to trial. Then Zim will reap the trouble he has sown. But if this were the case, I have to think that the sheriff and DA would have charged Zim by now -- if it were something that obvious, anyway.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Yes or No...

A guy is following you around in his car, you try to avoid him, he pursues, he then gets out of the car and walks up to you...

Hostile? Yes or no?

I see that you don't appreciate nuances in these kinds of situations? No gray areas, right? You really are simple.

I've already answered. How many ways do you want me to answer? Self-defensive actions are only justifiable if the person is assaulting me or threatening to assault me with a weapon. Can I get any plainer than that? Physical contact with another person is the last resort, not one of the first.

Boxcar

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by boxcar

I see that you don't appreciate nuances in these kinds of situations? No gray areas, right? You really are simple.

I've already answered. How many ways do you want me to answer? Self-defensive actions are only justifiable if the person is assaulting me or threatening to assault me with a weapon. Can I get any plainer than that? Physical contact with another person is the last resort, not one of the first.

Boxcar

I'm putting you in the exact same shoes as the dead kid you seem to lack sympathy for.

So then by your standards of a guy getting out of a car and approaching you with a weapon Martin was justified...?

Okay glad we squared that away.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by newtothegame

cell phones only veirfy there was a conversation...not what was said.....again, do you think she is unbiased? versus an actual witness who SAW who was on the ground and in what positions?

Yes, and there were talking with one another. So, with no text messages, there's no way to verify the conversation's content, as another gent has already pointed out. We only have her word to go on.

Boxcar

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

I'm putting you in the exact same shoes as the dead kid you seem to lack sympathy for.

So then by your standards of a guy getting out of a car and approaching you with a weapon Martin was justified...?

Okay glad we squared that away.

You mean to say, Zim was justified, right?

Whoa, chief. A weapon? Well if he's brandishing a weapon, that's a different story. That would constitute an immediate threat to my life. Now, do you know if Zim brandished his gun to Martin before Martin pounced on him? Do you know this to be a fact?

Boxcar

[jelly]

Elderly Couple In Fear Over Spike Lee Tweet

Star erroneously linked Floridians to man who killed Trayvon Martin

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documen...n-tweet-567891

[cj's dad]

How long before that little p--k a-- spike lee is sued?? Hopefully by tomorrow.

He endangered innocent folks with his "tweet"

[Tom]

Originally Posted by lsbets

Are you aware that real neighborhood watch people are not supposed to carry guns and are not supposed to confront anyone, only observe and call the police? On Fox News it was reported that the neighborhood did not have a formal, approved neighborhood watch program. Zimmerman appointed himself to his own program and called the police over 40 times on people. Seems he wanted a confrontation.

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[Tom]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

If someone was following me and I saw they had a gun I would treat them as a threat instantly.

Like I said before... a guy goes off to play vigilante and a kid ends up dead. To me its just that simple.

Zimmerman created the situation.
He is a murderer in my book. Case closed.
I don't care who threw the first punch.
How do we know what he said at the time?
We do not need garbage like this guy taking the law into their own hands.


You pull a dog's ear, expect to get bit.

[ElKabong]

Originally Posted by bigmack

Stop the idiocy.

TM was caught with a pile of women's jewelry and a screwdriver.

Where'd you get the jewelry? he was asked. A friend gave it to me, he answered. What's the name of your friend? I don't know, he answered.

So now what, a Mexican Standoff between BS you wanna bring vrs. mine?

Dude, the Nancy Grace-esque crowd has their minds made up. Plain to see. Let them go.

Let them follow Jesse and Al and the knee jerk crowd. Let it go

[bigmack]

Originally Posted by ElKabong

Nancy Grace

You do realize that is actually John Tesh in drag?

Think about it; have you ever seen the both of them in a room together?