Trump vs Pope

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by mostpost

Here's the difference, Pope Francis did not build this wall. This wall does not keep people out, because their are gates in this wall to let people in.

Of course that wall keeps people out.
Do you think that people just walk through the Vatican gates without Security Checks similar to going on an airplane?

[barahona44]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

Of course that wall keeps people out.
Do you think that people just walk through the Vatican gates without Security Checks similar to going on an airplane?

I went to Italy last September.And you just walk into Vatican City, no one stops you or asks for ID.Kind of like going to the mall.
You are subject to security checks when you enter the Vatican Museum and the St. Peter's Basilica just as any other high profile building.

[mostpost]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

Of course that wall keeps people out.
Do you think that people just walk through the Vatican gates without Security Checks similar to going on an airplane?

I didn't say there weren't security checks. Comparing the wall around Vatican City, which is one fifth of a square mile in area, to a wall along our southern border is preposterous.

What is also preposterous is basing the wealth of the church on the land and buildings it owns. No one is going to buy St. Peter's Basilica or the Church of St John Lateran. And while there would certainly be buyers for some of the church's art collection, much of it would go unclaimed.

A lot of the church's real estate is a drain rather than a resource. My parish had a school which ceased operations about ten years ago. It stands pretty much empty now. We do use some of the classrooms for religious ed on Saturday mornings and various parish groups hold events and meetings in the large meeting hall. We also rent out rooms to outside groups. But none of this covers the cost of routine maintenance and necessary repair on a building which is more than 57 years old.
ETA: Let me change my first sentence as I just saw Barhona 44 post. There are no security checks.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by barahona44

I went to Italy last September.And you just walk into Vatican City, no one stops you or asks for ID.Kind of like going to the mall.
You are subject to security checks when you enter the Vatican Museum and the St. Peter's Basilica just as any other high profile building.

Try it today.
Since Paris, security has been beefed up.
They're watching at gates.
The Basilica and Museum are watched even more so.

[barahona44]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

Try it today.
Since Paris, security has been beefed up.
They're watching at gates.
The Basilica and Museum are watched even more so.

So have you been there since Paris?.My wife and I went on a Wednesday in late September (best time to visit Italy,btw), hardly the peak of tourist season yet there still a few thousand people milling about St. Peter's Square.Yes, there were Italian soldiers with machine guns both in and out of the Vatican and a police prescence but there were no security checkpoints at either gate in the sense of metal detectors and xray machines. .

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by barahona44

So have you been there since Paris?.My wife and I went on a Wednesday in late September (best time to visit Italy,btw), hardly the peak of tourist season yet there still a few thousand people milling about St. Peter's Square.Yes, there were Italian soldiers with machine guns both in and out of the Vatican and a police prescence but there were no security checkpoints at either gate in the sense of metal detectors and xray machines. .

I haven't been there. I've heard it reported.
I believe what you say.
Also, those gates are locked at night.
The walls keep people out.
Mostie said specifically "The wall does not keep people out...."

[DRIVEWAY]

Pace,

If TOM can call the Pope a Jerk over and over again, can we call TOM a name.

[reckless]

Originally Posted by DRIVEWAY

Pace,

If TOM can call the Pope a Jerk over and over again, can we call TOM a name.

If you have to ask, then it doesn't matter if you call Tom a name or not. Nor would Tom care.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by barahona44

I went to Italy last September.And you just walk into Vatican City, no one stops you or asks for ID.Kind of like going to the mall.
You are subject to security checks when you enter the Vatican Museum and the St. Peter's Basilica just as any other high profile building.

Yep. Basically there is what amounts to a white line that goes around the Vatican (all .17 sq miles of it) that shows the border with Italy. You just walk right into the square. Google the border on the net as taking pictures with feet on both sides of the line seems quite popular. Other sections people can access if they are a member of the Vatican Library, thus making it the only country one simply needs a library card to walk into. Sure there are walls. They were first built in the 9th century when the area was subject to attacks from pirates and the like. And certainly you can't just walk into the area that houses the Pope and other dignitaries of state, but then show me any other country in the world where you can. Absolutely ridiculous comparison.

[Greyfox]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

Absolutely ridiculous comparison.

You cannot walk into Vatican City at night.
The gates are closed and walls keep people out.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

You cannot walk into Vatican City at night.
The gates are closed and walls keep people out.

You can't walk into the local mall late night either. The gates are closed and walls keep people out.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Greyfox

You cannot walk into Vatican City at night.
The gates are closed and walls keep people out.

BTW I believe you can walk into St. Peter's Square at night, which is part of Vatican City. Its only the buildings that close at night.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by DRIVEWAY

Pace,

If TOM can call the Pope a Jerk over and over again, can we call TOM a name.

You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, but you don't have to call me Mr. Johnson.

And don't call me Pope.

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[Nutz and Boltz]

Originally Posted by Tom

You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, but you don't have to call me Mr. Johnson.

And don't call me Pope.

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But we can call you "Doubting Thomas".

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by DRIVEWAY

Pace,

If TOM can call the Pope a Jerk over and over again, can we call TOM a name.

Since when has anyone around here ever been stopped by me from calling Tom a name?

Tom has been called many names on here by people who don't agree with his many varied views...