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10-12-2017, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tucker6
Does the employer not have the right to revoke the players' "freedom of speech?" I believe they can do so at any time, just as the players can stop protesting at any time.
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I don't think anybody can revoke your freedom of speech. Doesn't mean your free speech is free from consequences. When the consequences spill over from the person freely speaking to others that is when the problems really begin.
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10-12-2017, 06:25 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Canandaigua, New york
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Originally Posted by FantasticDan
They have whatever leeway their team is willing to give them. They also have protections written into their contracts and collective bargaining agreements.
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None of those are constitutional rights. "willing to give them" that is not a right - that is a gift. So your original point is wrong by your own admission. The NFl is going to tell them they will not take a knee - Cowboys already been told.
Welcome to the REAL world.
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10-12-2017, 06:32 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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Location: Canandaigua, New york
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People like Dan just do not have any clue what the word respect means. They never will. They believe only their rights and opinions matter.
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10-12-2017, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
Sure. The employee isn't the only one with "rights" in this situation.
The thing that needs to be pointed out here is that it isn't "patriotism" that ultimately wins-out in the event that these protests come to a quick end. The owners have already sided with the players on this issue...and any "change of heart" that the owners might show is strictly because of the pressure that the TV sponsors are putting on them. It's the "almighty dollar" that is flexing its muscle here...not the "respect for the flag".
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You neglect to note that many or all of the owners were intimidated into allowing it. Is there any doubt that they worried about not being supposedly sympathetic to the plight of blacks, or causing team disharmony? They may actually need the NFL to provide them cover re enforcing standing at allegiance.
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10-12-2017, 07:45 PM
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These conversations baffle me. Only the government is disallowed to take away your speech, not any other entity.
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10-12-2017, 11:01 PM
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gelding
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Originally Posted by Tom
People like Dan just do not have any clue what the word respect means. They never will. They believe only their rights and opinions matter.
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Yes Tom, it's no wonder you've earned the nickname "Mr. Respect" around here  
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10-13-2017, 12:24 AM
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Location: Cincinnati,Ohio
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Freedom is a good thing. Freedom to protest. Freedom to bench. Next!
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10-13-2017, 12:42 AM
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gelding
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Freedom to be a clueless, hypocritical shithead.. Trump hearing the Retreat bugle as the base flag is lowered, and making it about him and friggin Sean Hannity..
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...icle-1.3559254
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10-13-2017, 01:16 AM
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Location: Cincinnati,Ohio
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Originally Posted by FantasticDan
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You really get your underwear in a bunch and saute them into your asscrack about this stuff don't ya Dan?! No president in my lifetime has ever raised the pulse negatively or positively. They are like cardboard cutouts. So I take great delight in the reactions to them. Either way! It can be painful to listen to Trump talk. Dumb and dumber. The reaction to him is pure comedy! I still believe in what he is doing though overall.
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10-13-2017, 09:11 AM
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regular user
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Originally Posted by FantasticDan
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Bless his heart, this "poor" President and his foot fetish, can't seem to keep them out his mouth, a total disgrace.
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10-15-2017, 05:30 PM
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I hear there's a job opening in Green Bay...
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10-15-2017, 11:23 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: near Philadelphia
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Patriotic American Redskins fans give it to the 49ers
Seven pro-cop killers on the 49ers disrespected this country's flag and kneeled during the playing of our Nation Anthem in Washington DC today.
http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017...tional-anthem/
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10-16-2017, 08:03 AM
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Location: Boston+Ocala
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Originally Posted by reckless
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we are boycotting Keeneland, and they are nothing but an ant compared to the NFL and they don't disrespect this country, just their customers. it might be time that we shift our efforts over to the NFL for allowing this nonsense to go on.
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10-16-2017, 10:01 AM
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Kaepernik has filed a grievance against the owners for collusion under the latest collective bargaining agreement. He is claiming that the owners have colluded to blackball him from the NFL.
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Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Kaepernick wants to trigger termination of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement.
Article 69, Section 2 of the CBA allows for the agreement to be terminated prematurely in the event of proof of collusion. Under Article 17, Section 16(c) of the CBA, termination can arise from only one incident of collusion involving only one player if there is clear and convincing evidence of a violation.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ion-grievance/
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