New York Times - Yes chemical weapons were found in Iraq

[ArlJim78]

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...pons.html?_r=0

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.
In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.

It's an interesting story although still a hit piece on George Bush, but isn't it amazing that they have finally managed to discover this information?

Given the recent events in Iraq, with ISIS reclaiming territory we once held safe, I'm wondering if there is something more behind this revelation. It would look pretty bad for knee-pad media and President Obola if it comes out that ISIS now has chemical weapons in their possession thanks to Obama's hasty retreat, weapons that supposedly til now didn't exist according to the lefts popular narrative.
If ISIS did manage to acquire some of these weapons this might be the Times way of getting out in front of the news with the usual "it's Bush's fault" narrative.

[tucker6]

I'm pretty certain from the chemical attack by Saddam against the Kurds in the 90's that we already knew that he had chemical weapons. Is this a surprise? The WMD's they were looking for were more nuclear and biological in nature, and those haven't been found. Likely never existed.

[ArlJim78]

wrong, these are weapons of mass destruction, and if you have been listening to the media for the last 8 years all you have heard was that nothing was found. It was not the case that we were only looking for nuclear or biological weapons. we knew they existed but Iraq was supposed to have been destroying them according to UN sanctions. problem is Saddam would not let UN inspectors in to verify any of it and the intel was saying that they were attempting to restart the programs.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

wrong, these are weapons of mass destruction, and if you have been listening to the media for the last 8 years all you have heard was that nothing was found. It was not the case that we were only looking for nuclear or biological weapons. we knew they existed but Iraq was supposed to have been destroying them according to UN sanctions. problem is Saddam would not let UN inspectors in to verify any of it and the intel was saying that they were attempting to restart the programs.

What you say may be true, but so what? We knew he had chemical weapons. He used them against his own people. We knew he didn't destroy them all. Was that worth going to war over? This is about as big a non story as there can be. Still doesn't justify in any way, shape, or form Bush going into Iraq, and I'm on your side of the fence.

By the way, some of the conventional bombs we have now are probably considered WMD's, so to me, it's not just about chemicals, biologicals, and nuclear.

[alydar]

The weapons found were from "long abandoned programs built in close collaboration with the west." These were not the weapons we were told that we needed to rid the world of at the beginning of the war.

What I struggle with is why the secret? These were found from 2004 to 2011. It is not like only the Obama administration that kept these finds quiet.

If you look at the map of the sites where these old rusting weapons were found, you cannot help but be concerned about these falling into the hands of ISIS.

[HUSKER55]

and Hitler was only a PAC.

you guys are playing word games with yourselves. The WMD are there.

All they need is a delivery system on a large scale.

[BlueShoe]

Whenever this topic comes up, I am reminded of that Iraqui air force general that insisted that WMDs did indeed exist in Iraq, and that most of them were moved to Syria. If so, that means that ISIS now has them.

[Tom]

ISIS moved them out of Syria.....to Northern Mexico.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...pons.html?_r=0



It's an interesting story although still a hit piece on George Bush, but isn't it amazing that they have finally managed to discover this information?

Given the recent events in Iraq, with ISIS reclaiming territory we once held safe, I'm wondering if there is something more behind this revelation. It would look pretty bad for knee-pad media and President Obola if it comes out that ISIS now has chemical weapons in their possession thanks to Obama's hasty retreat, weapons that supposedly til now didn't exist according to the lefts popular narrative.
If ISIS did manage to acquire some of these weapons this might be the Times way of getting out in front of the news with the usual "it's Bush's fault" narrative.

Didn't take long to confirm my speculation;

ISIS controls a vast compound in Iraq containing 2,500 rusting chemical weapons rockets, according to the Iraqi government.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...errorists.html

[OntheRail]

Originally Posted by HUSKER55

and Hitler was only a PAC.

you guys are playing word games with yourselves. The WMD are there.

All they need is a delivery system on a large scale.

Like a "missing" Jetliner?

[delayjf]

The weapons found were from "long abandoned programs built in close collaboration with the west."

If by West he means the US, that is absolutely false. The US was not a major contributor of the chemical precursors required to create biological / chemical weapons.

And when it came of bashing President Bush, there was no differentiation between Nuclear, chemical or bio weapons. When they tell the story, the only ones who claimed Iraqi had WMDs were Bush and Cheney - despite the laminations of the entire intel community which warned him that they did not exist. Oh, and President Bush knew the who, what, where and when of 9/11. Odd, Clinton got the same brief Bush did, so he know the details as well. Why didn't he warn us??? My guess, he had a short position on airline stocks.

[Tom]

Don't forget, Bush and Cheney brewed up Ebola at Camp David. It got away from them while they were testing his hurricane machine.

[Robert Goren]

What they found were leftovers from a chemical weapons program that Hussein was forced to abandon after the first Gulf War. The discovery supports what Bush 41 did, not what his son did.

[hcap]

Everyone knew about the chemical weopens, and biological were suspected, but the George W. Bush’s administration, citing the spectre of “mushroom clouds,” launched a PR campaign to rally the American people behind an invasion of Iraq. The insidious bullshit of "mushroom clouds" was what was the BIG lie. As was "The Sixteen Words" where Bush claimed Saddam had sought uranium in Niger.

The right would prefer history to be re-written.

[reckless]

Originally Posted by hcap

Everyone knew about the chemical weapons,
and biological were suspected ...
The right would prefer history to be re-written.

All that the Democrats and lefties said during the Bush era was that there wasn't any WMDs. No ifs, ands, or buts. No WMDs, period! Bush, Cheney and Haliburton suck, and throw in those neo-cons, too, for good measure.

First, in an earlier post someone from the left side of life tried to play fancy and cute and parsed words and meanings of words such as WMDs, etc. That didn't work.

And now it is scribbled that everyone knew about chemical weapons.

The only time the right 're-writes' anything is to correct the lies and stupidity that comes from the left, be it thru the JV team called the Obama administration, the stenographers in the national media, and the sycophants and apologists whose lone role is to perpetuate all this idiocy and doubletalk.