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Old 06-01-2018, 03:13 PM   #16
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Did the Rooney(steelers) family sell to MGM? just asking. of was it sold b4
Yes, Tim Rooney was still in charge and they owned it and sold it.
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Yonkers does 1-1/4-mile races on Sunday matinees with 10-horses (2 trailers).
They're for trotters and are simulcast to France.
Has boosted handle quite a bit.
Not sure how it's affected the bias toward speed and inside posts.
Pandy would most probably be able to answer that for us.
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My thought on this overall topic is also whether MGM will try to eliminate horses entirely as soon as they can.
Or is thereanything in the condition of the sale that they keep racing alive on-site?

I don't have the stats on the post positions for the mile and a quarter trot races, but they are definitely much less speed biased. And, I'm pretty sure that posts 6, 7, and 8 do a little better. At the mile and a quarter distance, the driver who has sharp horse inside, for instance, post 1, can't just gun hard to the lead because he won't have anything left, since the race is longer. So consequently, it makes it easier for an outside post leaver to leave and get the top.

Another big difference in the mile and a quarter trot races, in many of them, they go with 10 horse fields instead of 8, with two in the second tier. So the outside flow starts immediately. Overall, it's a much more competitive race from start to finish, when compared to the one mile races.
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Old 06-01-2018, 03:20 PM   #18
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Yes, you're right, but whenever a harness track tries longer distances they get complaints because so many harness fans are used to the one mile. Part of the complaints is that they can't figure out the last quarter. If the past performances are adjusted accordingly for the changes, that would help.

But, theoretically, you're right, longer distances are not as speed favoring, especially if you go a mile and an eighth or a mile and a quarter. Plus, the outside posts will win far more often than they do now.

But basically the tracks are run by people that are not really trying hard enough to put out a good product.
If a particular brand of PP's were to do the math for you on those final 1/4's, that may indeed bring revenue to that brand. Although it would be difficult to identify where a horse stood time-wise for the final 1/4 in a 1 1/16 race.
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Yes, Tim Rooney was still in charge and they owned it and sold it.
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If a particular brand of PP's were to do the math for you on those final 1/4's, that may indeed bring revenue to that brand. Although it would be difficult to identify where a horse stood time-wise for the final 1/4 in a 1 1/16 race.
Track Master PP's have a speed figure for the different distances.

Harness Eye (DRF owned now) does not have speed figures for 1-1/4, making it tough to compare horses running at different distances.
Needs a major upgrade IMO.
They've got other issues too (too few pp lines is one), but, don't know if they intend to do anything about it.
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"But basically the tracks are run by people that are not really trying hard enough to put out a good product." - Pandy

That pretty much sums it up.
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Old 06-01-2018, 10:03 PM   #22
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Track Master PP's have a speed figure for the different distances.

Harness Eye (DRF owned now) does not have speed figures for 1-1/4, making it tough to compare horses running at different distances.
Needs a major upgrade IMO.
They've got other issues too (too few pp lines is one), but, don't know if they intend to do anything about it.
A lot of people like to look at the raw data (such as a fractional time) so they can do whatever they do with it like adjust it based on the trip, or focus just on a particular part of a race....speed figures in a way tell the whole story in one number that everyone sees in front of them.
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