Final word on the cancellation of "Luck"

[tzipi]

Originally Posted by lansdale

Those that believe that ratings (or money), was the primary reason for the cancellation of the show are mistaken. castaways01 was right. HBO works off subscriptions.

That's what I and others have said...subscriptions. I think people are getting confused that people are saying HBO is NBC,CBS,etc. We all know they are not and don't have to worry about commercial time,etc. They're different in terms of ratings. But to say HBO could care less about them is wrong I think. They of course look at them to gauge viewership on shows and popularity.


I think it was great to have a racing show and it would've been good to see go on but I also think from what insiders said "out of control" production costs was the biggest problem and why they stopped. I will not say no impact PETA had any affect.

But according to some HBO doesn't care, look at or speak about ratings because they don't go by them at all. Well for years(Sopranos,Wire,etc) they have talked about them, even recently.

HBO LAUDS "GAME CHANGE" RATINGS.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifest...UAS_story.html

http://www.vulture.com/2012/03/game-...ght-years.html

[CincyHorseplayer]

We are a world unto ourselves.Period.The world outside doesn't get our passion.I have a cousin that prints T-Shirts.I'm getting a batch printed out that says "It's A Track Thing.You Wouldn't Understand".Talking to my raceform guy we both have been alienated at times by people we know for our love of racing and responded the same way= "F*** them".They really don't get it.I haven't been able to watch the last 2 shows knowing it's a dead duck.You know,that's everybody else's bad.We are a world unto ourselves.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Cardus

From this, do I conclude that you believe that if the ratings were "X"% higher, then PETA's attack would not have caused HBO to cancel the show?

I don't believe I stated the ratings didn't make the decision easier. They most certainly did. But I do not think ratings were the MAJOR reason why this show as cancelled.

I think PETA and the mindset of those running HBO were the major reason.

If Luck was drawing 3 million an episode, then the decision obviously becomes that much harder for the HBO suits.

Bottom line: absent public pressure from PETA, this show would have completed its second season.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I thought that Nick Nolte had won an Oscar for "Blue Chips".

You are one funny dude...

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by tzipi

Not going to get into it too much. Pointless. You never understand and claim against facts. Not the second episode ratings. These are the last epsiode ratings. Viewership was dropping. Viewership=ratings=buzz=new subcriptions for cable companies like HBO. Go argue and tell all cable companys to stop monitring and mentioning ratings then. Geez

"Beyond the tragic animal deaths, Luck also has been cursed with low ratings: Just 474,000 viewers tuned in Sunday, far lower than the average for the series."

http://content.usatoday.com/communit...uck-canceled/1

I enjoyed show a bit and love racing but can't argue with HBO's facts and if they dont want to put big money into it anymore and go with another show. That's all.

I'm sure Sunday's low ratings also had something to do with the fact that it had become common knowledge before airing that the series had been cancelled. I would think this would lead some people to not bother watching , knowing the show was effectively over.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by tzipi

Luck is on Sunday nights when everyones home, not Fridays night. Big DVR ratings for sunday nights?

I understand people have DVR's etc but when other shows pull in huge numbers on their initial night runs HBO notices that I guess. Shows like John From Cinn and others had 3,000,000 viewers at the end and that does not include DVR. That's initial run time. So even though Luck had DVR, on demand etc, it's still low rated. Again, I am NOT HBO and just go by the ratings and what they are saying. That's all.

Hey I'd love to have a racing show on again or whatever but this one didn't seem to work between viewership and horses deaths.

3,000,000 is pretty big for HBO...makes you wonder why John from Cincinnati was cancelled...viewership had actually started to INCREASE through the final couple of episodes too...

I actually liked that show...

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by A. Pineda

Interesting that you post a list that is irrelevant to the discussion.

If you read my post again, you'll find why the list is relevant. I was talking about how you're not likely to get such an "A-list" team to star in, produce and direct a show/film related to racing like you had with this project.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by castaway01

No need to be a prick.

Calling someone dumb might also be viewed as being a prick...

No need to be a hypocrite.

[Donnie]

Ratings are calculated by looking at viewership "across the spectrum", I would think. What other programming has been going on Sunday nights that would draw viewership? There is this little Grade 1 event early on called the Super Bowl. I would think that would be a tough week for all other programming. Any other big events in the past 9 Sundays? Were the Emmys on Sunday or Monday? Anything in Basketball?

It was a great show. Very glad I tivo-ed them all.

[Robert Fischer]

Season finale was probably my favorite episode.

[David-LV]

HBO did not want to get involved with a group like PETA, they did not want rallies and picket lines and all the negative crap that goes with it no matter who is right or wrong.

It is unfortunate that it comes down to bullying by these types of groups in our great Country, which is changing right before our eyes.

Our lost was a very entertaining show which was getting better and better as the weeks went on.

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David-LV

[depalma113]

Show's been cancelled, yet HBO still uses it in their On Demand promos.

I would think if they were really worried about peta, they would have yanked everything and this promo wouldn't continue to be used.

[JustRalph]

http://www.vulture.com/2012/03/luck-...episode-9.html

recap and post mortem in a way

[tzipi]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

3,000,000 is pretty big for HBO...makes you wonder why John from Cincinnati was cancelled...viewership had actually started to INCREASE through the final couple of episodes too...

I actually liked that show...

Yeah I liked that show too. Towards the end of the show, ratings were up to about about 3 million.

[tzipi]

Originally Posted by David-LV

HBO did not want to get involved with a group like PETA, they did not want rallies and picket lines and all the negative crap that goes with it no matter who is right or wrong.

It is unfortunate that it comes down to bullying by these types of groups in our great Country, which is changing right before our eyes.

Our lost was a very entertaining show which was getting better and better as the weeks went on.

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David-LV

I don't think HBO cares one bit about PETA. Horse racing didn't care about them during the Preakness with Eight Belles and PETA accomplished nothing.
Discovery channel and Animal planet didn't care about PETAS "protesting" and nothing came of it of course as their shows still aired.
Westminister Dogs show and American Kennel Club still do shows and are on tv every year as they and no one else cared about them ranting. PETA does nothing with this kind of stuff and no one notices. HBO knows that.
As some said earlier if this was PETA against HBO's Sopranos, you think HBO would've folded?

No one cares about PETA and surely not HBO. They are a joke. No one takes these people and their "protests" seriously.