Something to Consider

[Pell Mell]

The Debate Between Figures and Flesh-and-Blood

HORSE SENSE:
The Debate Between Figures and Flesh-and-Blood





by Steve Collison



How much do you know about horses as they pertain to handicapping? I'm not talking about as they appear in the Daily Racing Form or on a computer screen but as individual animals with different strengths and weaknesses which directly influence your perceptions of racing. If you mention a new pace handicapping software program, the average handicapper becomes interested. Mention something about confirmation and gait affecting a horse's chances of getting a distance and suddenly the porch lights begin to flicker. It's not an exaggeration to state that 95 percent of everyone reading this article knows nothing at all about horses. Since this game is based entirely on horses, this begs another question: Doesn't that seem slightly odd?



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[peakpros]

Ok...one guys opinion.

[jonnielu]

I think the article is right on the money, thanks for posting it Pell Mell

It could cause a few to break from the herd, but humans may have more of a herd mentality then cattle. As is continually demonstrated by the Beyer faithful.

jdl

[ranchwest]

Originally Posted by peakpros

Ok...one guys opinion.

Do they put 50 cents in the slot on the horses you bet?

[HUSKER55]

Wish I knew how to calculate it off the DRF.

I knew a lady years back who raced horses. She had an Arabian that had an attitude problem. If a horse came in from a "top stable" that horse would upchuck it's lungs to win IF there was a girl riding it. Let's see you handicap that into your system.

I have always thought if a person was able to judge horse on the hoof at the track you would be able to do what ever you wanted. I have learned that the race does not always go to the fastest horse. If that were true then Andy would have made us all millionaires.

husker55

[Fingal]

That's why I choose to specialize in the So Cal circuit. There are things that a computer will see that the mind may not, but it takes experiance & putting it into context with race trouble & connections that matters. A computer may spit out numbers for every race at every track running on a particular day, but unless one wants to read charts & watch tapes close to 24 / 7, & forego any kind of a social life, they're just numbers.
And life's too short to do that.

[LottaKash]

Originally Posted by jonnielu

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It could cause a few to break from the herd, but humans may have more of a herd mentality then cattle. As is continually demonstrated by the Beyer faithful.

jdl

At the "Toll Booths".....Ever notice that many times you will observe that the majority of the cars waiting to pay their stipend. will be drawm to one or only a few of the lines to pay, when a lot of the other toll lanes will be mostly empty.....Safety in numbers ?........

best,

[LottaKash]

Originally Posted by Fingal

That's why I choose to specialize in the So Cal circuit.

The California Colts and Filles have that certain "Pizazz".....and you just can't quantify that.....You just gotta feel it Baby !......

best,

[jonnielu]

Originally Posted by LottaKash

At the "Toll Booths".....Ever notice that many times you will observe that the majority of the cars waiting to pay their stipend. will be drawm to one or only a few of the lines to pay, when a lot of the other toll lanes will be mostly empty.....Safety in numbers ?........

best,

The 4-way stop is always entertaining too.

jdl

[Tom]

It's a big game....room for all types of approaches. Mine doesn't include the horse's appearance and very little of his trips. I don't have the time nor the interest to study anatomy and both tale too much time to play many tracks. I prefer to decide I want to play Mnr now and go do it. I use the tools I have that help me do that. I have been winning at the races for many years not using those tools. I may use trips more now, with the internet availability of them, but appearance is out my realm of interest.

Since both types of players seem to be able to win, I do not begrudge physicality cappers, I just don't have the elitist attitudes and put down others like most of them I know do. To me, it is the height of ignorance to tell a winner he is doing it wrong. Some here disagree......WGAS?

I suppose small packages might play a part of the need to feel superior.

[LottaKash]

Originally Posted by jonnielu

The 4-way stop is always entertaining too.

jdl

Hey Jonnielu, I would bet that if a hidden camera were installed at every 4-way stops in America, you could make several "Funniest Videos" shows, and they would all be hoots.....

best,

[Charlie D]

Originally Posted by jonnielu

It could cause a few to break from the herd, but humans may have more of a herd mentality then cattle. As is continually demonstrated by the Beyer faithful.

jdl

Here's a scenario


Herd stop using Beyer figs and uses say Abilty X, what happens to Ability X???


Abilty X becomes Beyer



Be thankful the Beyer faithful remain faithful imo

It's a big game....room for all types of approaches.

Amen to the above

[LottaKash]

"Do just once what others say you can't do, and you will never pay attention to their limitations again " - j.r. cook

[peakpros]

Originally Posted by ranchwest

Do they put 50 cents in the slot on the horses you bet?

Sorry, I have no idea what you mean.

Its one guys opinion. 13 years old and offers nothing new IMO.

I play one track every day at the track. I use the best figs available and watch as much as I can.

The authors trying to say horse are not machines....

didn't katcha goodwon or something like that write that in the 80's....

[peakpros]

Originally Posted by ranchwest

Do they put 50 cents in the slot on the horses you bet?

Yes...I see...poor word choice on my part.

I should have said..one guys approach.