A United Front for Arizona and All Horseplayers Against Arizona HB 2694

[betovernetcapper]

On Monday 1101 people, with nothing else to do, wandered in Tup and bet $46,770 or an average of $42 each on Tup.

On average TUP victims bet $34 a day Saturday-Sunday and Monday.

The average not so grand total for Saturday-Sunday and Monday was $102.

That means if you started Saturday with $110 and bet the same amounts as the Ariziona victims, on and lost every single race Saturday-Sunday and Monday, you'd still have enough money left to buy a slice of pizza.

[rrbauer]

Originally Posted by ALostTexan

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To be honest, I actually believe Mr. Joyce in that Turf Paradise wants ADW's in the state, and that in order to get a clear judgement on ADW's in the state a stiff law such as that had to be passed. I honestly believe that they hope the law is challenged in court and is shown to be unlawful, so that ADW's can reopen to the state.

First, thanks for going out of your way and representing a whole lot of people who are either too lazy or too dumb or too selfish to represent anything but themselves (Hello out there: If the shoe fits, wear it!).

And speaking of being narrow-minded it would appear from both your meeting and from what has transpired to date with regard to the Arizona ADW debacle that some very small minds rule the roost in Arizona racing.
For example, if Turf Paradise wants ADW's in the state and thinks that the existing law can be challenged in the courts WHY DON'T THEY CHALLENGE IT?

Clearly, HB2694 is bad law. I believe that and anybody else that believes that should not be supporting racing in Arizona in any form. Let the hammering continue!

[MakinItHappen]

Originally Posted by betovernetcapper

That means if you started Saturday with $110 and bet the same amounts as the Ariziona victims, on and lost every single race Saturday-Sunday and Monday, you'd still have enough money left to buy a slice of pizza.

If I prefer a old shriveled up weiner and a bucket of stale popcorn, am I still good?

Thanks for the updates on the sad state of affairs in the Grand Canyon state! I understand that Arizona is derived from an Indian word meaning "small spring". I wonder if this could be losely interpretted to me "small brain"?

While it appears obvious from the numbers that the Arizona horseplayers are speaking loudly in regards to their dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs, I am a little concerned with the out of state betting handle...

WAKE UP PEOPLE! SUPPORT YOUR FELLOW HORSEPLAYER'S!! DO NOT WAGER ON TURF PARADISE or YOUR STATE COULD BE NEXT!!!

Best of Luck Everyone!

MakinItHappen

[shanta]

As a followup Mr.Johnson at Turf Paradise has stopped responding to my emails when I brought up the subject of his track wanting a piece of all internet wagers on other tracks outside the state.

Richie

[trying2win]

If Santa Anita indeed will conduct racing regularly on Mondays on their upcoming meet, will anyone shed a tear for Turf Paradise? It might cut into TUP's Monday pari-mutuel handle quite a bit. I suspect Arizona-based bettors are smiling a bit at this Santa Anita talk on another forum here at PACE ADVANTAGE. It might give these bettors a boost of hope in getting their ADW choices back.

T2W

[rrbauer]

SA and GP on Monday and Tampa on Tuesday and a flip of the old bird to TUP every day.

[Hosshead]

I don't know..
If SA is open on Mon. won't it create a larger audience playing at home , not only SA but TuP too ?
Does SA/GP take TuP bets from the "on track" crowd as well ?
Monday is normally a day that a lot of players just write off.
Now there will be more of a monday audience in general.
TuP might be happy about this change?

[BDHPlayer]

I sent the following e-mail to the sponsoprs of HB 2694 which makes it a felony for me to use my ADW account to wager on horse racing.

Fortunately I still use an out of state office address and Arizona can take that and stuff it.

I'll probably be out at Turf Paradise to watch the Breeders Cup. I guarantee you that I won't be wagering on the Breeders Cup there. Until the law is changed, I'm boycotting wagering on horses anywhere in the great nanny state of Arizona.

Here's that e-mail:


It has come to my attention that you were sponsors of HB 2694. This bill prevents hard working tax payers, such as myself, from wagering on the horses that I own throughout the country from the comfort of my home.

As you may or may not be aware, Arizona's laws regarding simulcasting of thoroughbred races horses are archaic. Even if I wanted to go to Turf Paradise or an off track betting facility, the likelihood is that I won't be able to watch my out of state horses compete since many races are not simulcast to Arizona.

Since Arizona has decided that it should be illegal for me to wager on out of state horse races through an advanced deposit wagering company, I believe that we need to have legislation to make it illegal for an out of state resident to wager on Arizona race tracks and for it to be illegal for Arizona race tracks to accept that wager.

While we're at it, I lost $60 at the Casino Arizona poker room on Sunday. I believe that we need legislation to make it illegal to gamble at Indian casinos throughout the state. After all, I know that you don't want families out on the street because money that they spent in casinos could have bought milk for the children.

Also, the last few months have been tough for an investor in the stock market. I believe that we will also need a law to make investing in the stock market illegal. Since you all have gone so far as making Arizona a nanny state, I'm sure that we should make charity gambling and charity raffles illegal. I just might need protection from the state government to prevent me from losing my hard earned dollars on these activities.

I look forward to your help in making Arizona, the nanny state, a better place to live.

By the way, could you guys pass legislation to prevent God, if there is one, from making the summers so hot. July temperatures of 100 degrees maximum would sure be great. Maybe the state could provide sun screen to protect the citizenry against melanomas.

Looking forward to your response. Keep up the good work.

[trigger]

"Through the first 20 days of the meet, field size has averaged 8.50 horses per race, according to The Jockey Club. For the first 19 days of the meet last year, field size averaged 7.59 horses per race. That’s an increase of almost one horse per race so far this season.
The track has used its extensive off-track betting network to stay competitive despite an increase in American Indian gaming in the state and the allure of slots-enriched races in neighboring New Mexico.Arizona is second to New York in the number of off-track betting facilities with 66 outlets in the state. All except 10 are controlled by Turf Paradise; the 10 locations in Tucson are managed by Tucson Greyhound Park.
Turf Paradise receives all revenue generated by its 56 OTB facilities, but the restaurant or bar conducting the wagering retains the food and beverage income. The economic model is beneficial to the racetrack and the OTB parlor, Turf Paradise manager Eugene Joyce said."
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=41752

[DeanT]

Originally Posted by trigger

The economic model is beneficial to the racetrack and the OTB parlor, Turf Paradise manager Eugene Joyce said."
http://news.bloodhorse.com/viewstory.asp?id=41752

Protect us and make people bet with us, we'll make more money. To hell with our customers choice, convenience and freedoms.

RRbauer, what is your url again?

[highnote]

Originally Posted by BDHPlayer

I sent the following e-mail to the sponsoprs of HB 2694 which makes it a felony for me to use my ADW account to wager on horse racing.

Fortunately I still use an out of state office address and Arizona can take that and stuff it.

I'll probably be out at Turf Paradise to watch the Breeders Cup. I guarantee you that I won't be wagering on the Breeders Cup there. Until the law is changed, I'm boycotting wagering on horses anywhere in the great nanny state of Arizona.

BDH -- loved the letter.

Glad to see calling Arizona "the Nanny State" is catching on.

[rrbauer]

Originally Posted by DeanT

Protect us and make people bet with us, we'll make more money. To hell with our customers choice, convenience and freedoms.

RRbauer, what is your url again?

Check it out...

http://www.boycott-az-racing.com/Suppose.html

[DeanT]

Seeing that alcohol is heavily licensed and regulated it worked perfectly.

[MIKE D]

It has came to my attention,from good friends that Turf Paradise betters who use the Players Club at the track are given large wine glasses when ordering sodas.Oh how elegant you may say,well the catch to that one is NO FREE REFILLS, with your overpriced sandwich.Thats the tip of the iceberg.If you are a backstretch worker your beer is not allowed to be consumed unless A reciept showing purchase at the track can be produced.We have insane politicos,Insane track management,can anyone say anything good about horseracing in this state.

[ezrabrooks]

Originally Posted by rrbauer

Check it out...

http://www.boycott-az-racing.com/Suppose.html

Jeez..

Ez