"COMMON SENSE"

[omar2]

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE FOLLOWING TRAINERS ALL HAVE OR HAD IN COMMON:
"SHUG" McGAUGHEY III, H. GRAHAM MOTION, CHRISTOPHE CLEMENT, WILLIAM I. MOTT, RICHARD E. MANDELLA, ROGER ATTFIELD, H. ALLEN JERKENS, NEIL D. DRYSDALE??
THINK ABOUT IT. CHECK BACK AROUND 3 O'CLOCK FOR THE ANSWER.

[omar2]

TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, NONE OF THESE TRAINERS HAVE BEEN FLAGGED FOR USING ILLEGAL SUBSTANCES ON ANY OF THEIR HORSES.

[Nitro]

When I first read your initial post and question the first thing that came to mind was the fact that all of the trainers you mentioned have had a lot of success running their stock on the Turf.

[Inner Dirt]

It is amazing if you look at the records of the chronic cheaters and compare them to the all time greats that were clean. Look at the streak Scott Lake had before he got hit with a big suspension for drugs in the early 2000s, strangely his winning percentage was knocked down quite a bit and never recovered close to early 2000 levels.

[Onesome]

Originally Posted by Nitro

When I first read your initial post and question the first thing that came to mind was the fact that all of the trainers you mentioned have had a lot of success running their stock on the Turf.

Because they don't card turf races for cheap claimers which is the domain of most supertrainers.

But even then there was that stat during Ky Derby weekend until DuJour won that Bobby hadn't had a graded win on turf in a long time.

[AskinHaskin]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

It is amazing if you look at the records of the chronic cheaters and compare them to the all time greats that were clean. Look at the streak Scott Lake had before he got hit with a big suspension for drugs in the early 2000s, strangely his winning percentage was knocked down quite a bit and never recovered close to early 2000 levels.

Strangely Bob Baffert is hitting at 33% since his drug overage in the Derby.


Now he must be mocking every one of you all the way to the (bookmaker).


Juicing these things to the nines and pointing and laughing at all of those bothering to envy his success.


(with a racing game so incompetent it can't even find the game-changing drugs that haven't even been discovered yet, let alone figure out a way to test for them, or bothering to clearly list them with the illegal substances)


"that's how we DO it" ... "We _ _ _ _ everybody!"



it's the Funky Cold Medina or something.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by omar2

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE FOLLOWING TRAINERS ALL HAVE OR HAD IN COMMON:
"SHUG" McGAUGHEY III, H. GRAHAM MOTION, CHRISTOPHE CLEMENT, WILLIAM I. MOTT, RICHARD E. MANDELLA, ROGER ATTFIELD, H. ALLEN JERKENS, NEIL D. DRYSDALE??
THINK ABOUT IT. CHECK BACK AROUND 3 O'CLOCK FOR THE ANSWER.

Mott & Shug have both been suspended for drug violations off the top of my head

[PaceAdvantage]

Mott:

https://www.paulickreport.com/news/t...ng-commission/

Shug last year:

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-rac...lation-in-ohio

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by AskinHaskin

Strangely Bob Baffert is hitting at 33% since his drug overage in the Derby.


Now he must be mocking every one of you all the way to the (bookmaker).


Juicing these things to the nines and pointing and laughing at all of those bothering to envy his success.


(with a racing game so incompetent it can't even find the game-changing drugs that haven't even been discovered yet, let alone figure out a way to test for them, or bothering to clearly list them with the illegal substances)


"that's how we DO it" ... "We _ _ _ _ everybody!"



it's the Funky Cold Medina or something.

Whether the athletes have two legs or four legs the good cheats are always are one step ahead of those trying to catch them. A good example was Barry Bonds never hit with a positive test for illegal substances. After he retired about 50 pounds of muscle disappeared almost over night.

[andicap]

Originally Posted by Inner Dirt

Whether the athletes have two legs or four legs the good cheats are always are one step ahead of those trying to catch them. A good example was Barry Bonds never hit with a positive test for illegal substances. After he retired about 50 pounds of muscle disappeared almost over night.

To my knowledge they weren't testing athletes for steroids and drugs of that nature back then. McGwire had androstenedione in plain sight in his locker.

[Inner Dirt]

Originally Posted by andicap

To my knowledge they weren't testing athletes for steroids and drugs of that nature back then. McGwire had androstenedione in plain sight in his locker.

They were testing players the last couple years Bonds played.