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10-24-2014, 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by taxicab
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It's just strange.
Comes down to these men not having been
on the big stage before. It's highly likely
that they won't be there again, either.
Of course they expect a career best.
Doesn't every owner before pretty much every race?
CC may run a career best next weekend,
and still not hit the board.
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10-24-2014, 09:31 PM
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2 outta 3 aint bad
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Totally Shocked!............... 
Surprise....Surprise............ 
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10-24-2014, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
It's just strange.
Comes down to these men not having been
on the big stage before. It's highly likely
that they won't be there again, either.
Of course they expect a career best.
Doesn't every owner before pretty much every race?
CC may run a career best next weekend,
and still not hit the board.
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I guess it depends what method one uses in determining a career best, but in my opinion a career best definitely hits the board against this field. With that said, it's very rare to hear an owner say " I expect my horse to run a sub par race."
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10-27-2014, 07:34 PM
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broken-down horseplayer
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He's an easy horse to take a stand against, if you're like me and think he's well past his peak. I wish he'd run better in the PA Derby to take down more money, but he's probably going to be 5-1 or more. And I don't expect him to hit the board......
Yeah, I'm a "CC hater".
Not really. I've just seem this same movie too many times.
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10-27-2014, 08:31 PM
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Educated Speculation
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I am indifferent to CC, but am definitely not a fan of his owners. To this end, the article did not surprise me.
As for his performance after the Preakness, no real surprise.
I may have some money on him in an Exotic (yet undecided), but won't be betting him straight up.
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10-27-2014, 09:19 PM
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When i hear retirement, i hold that against a horse's chances. I dont want to have money on a short priced contender with the chance that the second he hits the wire, he's a retiree. Not for me. There might be a "Tell" in those comments.
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10-28-2014, 12:38 AM
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broken-down horseplayer
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
When i hear retirement, i hold that against a horse's chances. I dont want to have money on a short priced contender with the chance that the second he hits the wire, he's a retiree. Not for me. There might be a "Tell" in those comments.
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I wouldn't read too much into the comments, considering the source. They're simply stating a fact which many owners wouldn't put out in public. Since the owners bred him, they know that each sub-par performance affects his initial stud fee, while a win in the Classic and Horse of the Year honors would enhance it. I don't know what kind of numbers are in play, but after his Derby win I imagine some very lofty numbers for a son of Lucky Pulpit were tossed about in their circle.
A win in the Classic for CC will take a great form reversal, but isn't totally out of the realm of possibility. It would also be good for sport and for the casual fans supporting him from his Derby and Preakness wins back in May. I don't think it will happen, but there is a soft spot in my heart (or brain) that will be cheering for him if he is close at the wire....
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10-28-2014, 07:51 AM
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self medicated
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Originally Posted by KingChas
Totally Shocked!...............
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Really, who would be? How's this a story? How many will come back next year is the appropriate question. I got to think Wicked Strong will because he's not in. But the rest, who knows. These derby winners have become one or two hit wonders many times. If you follow the game its a plus because he will be over bet. That horse should probably be 6-1 to 8-1. On that track he has a runners chance but some how he might be second choice or third. This may be the year to take a shot.
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10-28-2014, 11:15 AM
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I think this is his last race. Regarding his form its definitely better than the Penn Derby. I think he is looking similar to last spring form wise. My only concern with him is has the last two races affected him to the point where something happened to his psyche and losing is ok. I don't see him racing as a 4 year old and I don't blame the owners even though they aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. That being said this is a field that will take a super effort this is a lot tougher than the Derby and the Preakness fields that's for sure. Even his best might not be good enough. I do think he can hit the board but I think the favorite walks over this field.
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10-28-2014, 02:04 PM
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PA Steward
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I think he'll be very competitive in the BC Classic...but it will by no means be easy...
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10-28-2014, 02:17 PM
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One thing is for sure.
Barring injury, we will see Shared Belief race as a 4yo.
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