Iran puts its foot down, in the water

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

My God man the the heck are you smoking?

Iran is now dangling by a thread and that thread is about to snap leaving them in a total failed downward spiral. They are caught in the crosshairs desperately trying any and all bazaar solutions for a way out.

Iran survived sanction policy for 30 years prior to Trump.

What makes this different?

Sanctions have been significantly harder on Iran in the past.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

They were paid off in $billions in cash to take a break until the next administration and then do whatever the hell they want.

Superb agreement...............for Iran.

Now Iran is saying they will resume building weapons and we have already spent our leverage. I'm not a mathematician but 6 years > 2 weeks.

Meanwhile Trump is asking foreign navies to police the seas. Tankers are being attacked. Drones being shot down. The President backing down from responding. And... Iran still isn't calling us.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Trump calls on China, and the world, to protect their own ships from Iran

Trump's administration will be remembered in history as the one which accelerated American decline at the world stage and paved the way towards a multi-polar 21st Century.

Late Edit)

I'm sure this won't embolden the Iranians...

[elysiantraveller]

Where have we heard this before...

Trump: No Preconditions on Talks with N̶o̶r̶t̶h̶ ̶K̶o̶r̶e̶a̶ Iran

He still wants his splashy summit and a new pen pal...

"Please call us..."

[davew]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Iran survived sanction policy for 30 years prior to Trump.

What makes this different?

Sanctions have been significantly harder on Iran in the past.

because of different countries producing and selling oil products, the value of their oil exports is one third of what it was 5 years ago.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Trump calls on China, and the world, to protect their own ships from Iran

Trump's administration will be remembered in history as the one which accelerated American decline at the world stage and paved the way towards a multi-polar 21st Century.

Like NATO, time for everyone to step up and take responsibility.
This is a good deal. Why should WE foot the bill ad take the risks?

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by davew

because of different countries producing and selling oil products, the value of their oil exports is one third of what it was 5 years ago.

The price of oil is irrelevant when you can't export it.

Sanctions are either working and the price of oil doesn't matter to Iran.

Or they aren't and the fact that oil is *checks notes* over 20% higher this year hurts Iran.

Your post makes no sense. Sanctions haven't worked in the past. They're unlikely to work now.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

Like NATO, time for everyone to step up and take responsibility.
This is a good deal. Why should WE foot the bill ad take the risks?

Because WE are the global superpower. WE are the ones that maintain order especially because WE benefit from that arrangement.

Why do you want to retreat and let others control the crucial strings to the global economy?

Let China take the South China Sea next?

Russia the Baltic and North?

You're proposing global retreat. Its the conundrum of the isolationist... they don't want us being responsible for everything... but boy do they get fired up when things don't go their way.

[Tom]

Calm down now, Ely - you will burst a vein.

[FantasticDan]

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[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by Tom

Calm down now, Ely - you will burst a vein.

No veins bursting.

Just getting a kick out of you grasping at straws.

Let's try this again... Iran and China are strong allies... what could possibly go wrong with a increased PLAN presence in the gulf?

Trump just invited them. Agree/Disagree?

[woodtoo]

Whoa Dan PTrump wants no part of war only anti-Trumpers reply pro-war.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by woodtoo

Whoa Dan PTrump wants no part of war only anti-Trumpers reply pro-war.

Can you "sheeple" any harder?

Originally Posted by woodtoo

The time is nigh for Iran's demise. They won't know what hit em.
And they're dumb enough to be shocked and awed without a boot on the ground.

Example A:

Wait for Trump to do something so you can then approve of said something...

[reckless]

Originally Posted by elysiantraveller

Because WE are the global superpower. WE are the ones that maintain order especially because WE benefit from that arrangement.

Why do you want to retreat and let others control the crucial strings to the global economy?

Let China take the South China Sea next?

Russia the Baltic and North?

You're proposing global retreat. Its the conundrum of the isolationist... they don't want us being responsible for everything... but boy do they get fired up when things don't go their way.

The USA is probably the lone super power right now. We are the lone economic power in the world. The lone one, mostly thanks to Trump.

What we are NOT --again, thanks to Trump's leadership-- is we are no longer the world's sucker and piggy bank.

YOU seem to want Trump to fail and for the US to retreat.

You truly are clueless on these matters.

We don't care if you live in your alt-world of hate Trump, total ignorance, naivety, and worse. We laugh at people such as yourself.

You really are jumping thru hoops in trying to pass off your silly --if not outright stupid-- false narratives.

But, you're biggest fault is .... you are so very obvious, so blatantly obvious.

You don't have the goods to offer a good debate or serious point of view.

Stay in your house at night, for your own safety.

[elysiantraveller]

Originally Posted by reckless

The USA is probably the lone super power right now. We are the lone economic power in the world. The lone one, mostly thanks to Trump.