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08-18-2010, 11:28 PM
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Racing Form Detective
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Location: Lincoln, Ne but my heart is at Santa Anita
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
For the 10th time, i'll believe it when i see it.
I think if SA goes back to dirt (are you listening Frank) the SA handle will skyrocket and the DMR handle will plummet. People still bet DMR somewhat because if you follow Ca racing, all the surfaces are plastic, so its not like you can bet 4 months of dirt and then take some time off until SA reopens.
now, if SA is dirt, i believe that many will follow SA and bet the meet and then take some time off and enjoy their summer. No way you're going to attempt DMR when most horses have established dirt form at SA.
DMR's handle takes a huge hit if SA goes back to dirt imo.
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I will hold you to that. I am in favor of going back to dirt and I think will help the off track handle some, I think skyrocket is too strong a term. The only thing thats going get handles to skyrocket is lower takeout rates. Ca racing was in deep trouble before they installed plastic and I see nothing that has changed from those times that going to make a difference.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
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08-18-2010, 11:32 PM
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Handicapper
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Traditional Dirt Track
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Originally Posted by andymays
http://www.insidesocal.com/horseraci...oing-back.html
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My sources all tell me that Frank Stronach will inform horsemen during a meeting at Del Mar tonight that he will install a traditional dirt track at Santa Anita immediately following the Oak Tree meet and it will be finished in time for the track's winter-spring meet that begins on Dec. 26.
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Does this mean Frank will not install the Austrian surface he was talking about?
Regards,
JeremyJet
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08-18-2010, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JeremyJet
Does this mean Frank will not install the Austrian surface he was talking about?
Regards,
JeremyJet
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He was interested in how they dealt with drainage, given that has been an ongoing problem at the CA tracks. Whatever [dirt] works is fine with me.
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08-18-2010, 11:34 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Lehigh Valley, PA.
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Dirt and handle
I think they'll get a temporary bump in handle but the only way it will help is if the track is consistent. Overall the synthetic tracks have been very inconsistent and worse than dirt for handicapping purposes. One thing that the synthetics did in So. Cal is destroy the credibility of the clockers. The workout reports at Del Mar, for instance, are a joke but they used to be reliable when it was a dirt track, even though it was a terrible dirt track.
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08-18-2010, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JeremyJet
Does this mean Frank will not install the Austrian surface he was talking about?
Regards,
JeremyJet
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http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...r-meeting.aspx
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by Larry Stewart
MI Developments Inc. founder and Chairman Frank Stronach seemed to score big-time points with California-based horsemen when he said that he would replace the Pro-Ride synthetic surface at Santa Anita Park with a dirt track in time for the Arcadia, California, track's December 26 opening for its winter-spring meet.
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He said dirt for the new track will be similar to the dirt used at the Palmermo track in Buenos Aires. 
http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...r-meeting.aspx
Last edited by andymays; 08-18-2010 at 11:39 PM.
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08-18-2010, 11:45 PM
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Handicapper
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Chicago
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Palmermo track in Buenos Aires
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Originally Posted by andymays
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The Thoroughbred Times article mentions the track will be similar to the Palmermo track in Buenos Aires. Anyone have any info on this surface?
Thanks for the links, Andy.
Regards,
JeremyJet
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08-18-2010, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JeremyJet
The Thoroughbred Times article mentions the track will be similar to the Palmermo track in Buenos Aires. Anyone have any info on this surface?
Thanks for the links, Andy.
Regards,
JeremyJet
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Does anyone know anything about the Palermo track in Buenos Aires?
Here's something. I'm not sure this is it.
http://www.buenostours.com/palermo-hipodromo
Last edited by andymays; 08-18-2010 at 11:50 PM.
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08-18-2010, 11:47 PM
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Location: Sierra Madre, California
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Thanks, Andy,
lots of folks in Arcadia, Pasadena,Bradbury, Sierra Madre, and the Dallas,Texas area have been waiting for this report.
Appreciate it.
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08-18-2010, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by so.cal.fan
Thanks, Andy,
lots of folks in Arcadia, Pasadena,Bradbury, Sierra Madre, and the Dallas,Texas area have been waiting for this report.
Appreciate it.
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Anytime. I've been waiting for almost four years. My self imposed exile will be over by the day afer Christmas. I can go back to Santa Anita again. 
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08-18-2010, 11:55 PM
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Santa Anita to get dirt track by December, Stronach says | Daily Racing Form
http://www.drf.com/news/santa-anita-...-stronach-says
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“We are committed to building a new dirt track,” Stronach said , receiving a round of applause . “We will do it now. We will gather the engineering and look for the materials. After Oak Tree is finished, we will have the track in place by the first week of December. The horses can train over it and we can run over it on Dec. 26.”
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08-18-2010, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by andymays
“We are committed to building a new dirt track,” Stronach said , receiving a round of applause . “We will do it now. We will gather the engineering and look for the materials. After Oak Tree is finished, we will have the track in place by the first week of December. The horses can train over it and we can run over it on Dec. 26.”
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Party at your house Andy?
Am I invited? 
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08-18-2010, 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DeanT
Party at your house Andy?
Am I invited?
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Of course!
This is the beginning of the end for synthetic racing. At least that's my hope.
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08-19-2010, 12:01 AM
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Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by andymays
Of course!
This is the beginning of the end for synthetic racing. At least that's my hope.
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Someone PM'd me to say they thought you'd be happy. Otherwise I would never have known your feelings.
Seriously, good for you. Hopefully you have a nice time playing the track this winter.
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08-19-2010, 12:03 AM
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Handicapper
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Chicago
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Palermo Hipodromo
Anyone make Beyer numbers for Palermo Hipodromo? Do they work there? CJ?
Regards,
JeremyJet
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08-19-2010, 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DeanT
Someone PM'd me to say they thought you'd be happy. Otherwise I would never have known your feelings.
Seriously, good for you. Hopefully you have a nice time playing the track this winter. |
All my big scores happened there. There's something special about that place. Yes, I will definitely sleep better tonight knowing that the good guys finally won one.  
Now we have to get them to put in a 10% takeout early pick 4 bet. That fight will take another 4 years. I'm game.
Last edited by andymays; 08-19-2010 at 12:05 AM.
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