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The Judge · 02-19-2009, 05:50 PM

I just heard a top NASCAR driver say that he was told that he was in the entertainment buisness and he has no problem with that. In other words it not about him or winning at all cost, its about the fans the rest falls into place. I think he makes a good point.

What buisness is horse racing in?

slewis · 02-19-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Judge

I just heard a top NASCAR driver say that he was told that he was in the entertainment buisness and he has no problem with that. In other words it not about him or winning at all cost, its about the fans the rest falls into place. I think he makes a good point.

What buisness is horse racing in?

I think he's full of shit.

Horse Racing wholy fits into the GAMBLING/Entertainment business. This is the MAJOR problem with racetrack management.
These idiots think they're in the horse racing business, which is why the backbone of their business, the gambler, gets treated like crap.

This is not DUBAI.... without gambling .. there would be no racetracks to watch races.

JustRalph · 02-19-2009, 09:37 PM

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I think he's full of shit.

Horse Racing wholy fits into the GAMBLING/Entertainment business. This is the MAJOR problem with racetrack management.
These idiots think they're in the horse racing business, which is why the backbone of their business, the gambler, gets treated like crap.

This is not DUBAI.... without gambling .. there would be no racetracks to watch races.

Can you run that by me again? Why is the driver full of shit? You make that statement then ramble on with no connection to what the driver said?

As we used to say in the Military WTF? Over?

kenwoodallpromos · 02-19-2009, 10:25 PM

The horsemen business!

startngate · 02-20-2009, 09:25 AM

Actually, I would argue that NASCAR is in the sponsorship business.

The reason they need 100's of thousands of fans is so that corporations will pay large $$ to put their products before large numbers of people. Therefore they gear their whole event production to make the fans happy ... so they will come back. The fans have access to the stars, and you can even hop in a car at most tracks and drive around, or take classes and drive yourself. They have done a masterful job of building up the stars, and every one of them mentions their sponsors in every interview. Heck, I don't even follow NASCAR and I can tell you that Jeff Gordon drives the DuPont/Pepsi #24 car.

Racing should be in the gambling business, and everything it does should be about driving gambling. How do they do that? Take a page out of the NASCAR playbook and turn the focus onto the gambler. Cleaner facilities, fan education, lower takeout, level playing field, broader distribution, improved technology.

If it did that, all of the horsemen and racetrack's financial problems would be overcome at the majority of tracks.

The Judge · 02-20-2009, 09:32 AM

was mentioned but driver stated without the fans there would be no sponsors and the fans were there because they wanted to be entertained.

KidCapper · 02-20-2009, 09:49 AM

I think this is what separates racetracks from sportsbooks. Racetrack management doesn't seem to get the fact that the players make the game. While my favorite sportsbook caters to my every need. I need to move to Vegas. Just my .02

onefast99 · 02-20-2009, 09:51 AM

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was mentioned but driver stated without the fans there would be no sponsors and the fans were there because they wanted to be entertained.

It is a very well followed event. So is the NHRA. The difference is it is a non-betting event as opposed to horses. NASCAR and NHRA race teams fight for survival by who sponsors them. Horse racing doesnt need as many sponsors to be successful. As far as the horse tracks being unable to cater to the bettor thats a different story.

JWBurnie · 02-20-2009, 12:18 PM

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It is a very well followed event. So is the NHRA. The difference is it is a non-betting event as opposed to horses. NASCAR and NHRA race teams fight for survival by who sponsors them. Horse racing doesnt need as many sponsors to be successful. As far as the horse tracks being unable to cater to the bettor thats a different story.

On a much smaller scale, wouldn't you consider owners and bettors to be a sponsor of each horse?

slewis · 02-20-2009, 12:53 PM

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It is a very well followed event. So is the NHRA. The difference is it is a non-betting event as opposed to horses. NASCAR and NHRA race teams fight for survival by who sponsors them. Horse racing doesnt need as many sponsors to be successful. As far as the horse tracks being unable to cater to the bettor thats a different story.

Your dead wrong. Without gambling there would be no horse racing...

Case closed. Dont debate this, please.

slewis · 02-20-2009, 12:59 PM

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Can you run that by me again? Why is the driver full of shit? You make that statement then ramble on with no connection to what the driver said?

As we used to say in the Military WTF? Over?

I'll say it again because you didnt get it the first time.

He is full of shit.... It's about him ...it's about winning.

NASCAR drivers are just like baseball players (other sports too) they DIE to win.

In baseball, for ex, if it were about "the good of the game" they (players) wouldn't be doing steroids and taking every edge to win. Look at the NW pats.... the coaching staff even cheated.

Im not a NASCAR follower but it's a great spectator sport with big big money involved. But I'm smart enough.. (you are too) not to be duped by what a "player" in that game, or any other , is "politically correctly" bullshiting about.

Jeff Mullins dumb statements regarding gamblers is probably closer to how most "players" really feel.

DeanT · 02-20-2009, 01:50 PM

At the recent congress in Las Vegas a panelist spoke up on this topic.

http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/new...-customer.html

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a prominent gaming authority today told an audience of harness racing executives that if slot machines are in place to save the industry, they are failing because of racing's inability to realize that "without customers, there is nothing to save." Bill Eadington, internationally-known gaming authority from the University of Nevada Reno, told the Harness Racing Congress in Las Vegas today that contrary to the general perception that horses, horsepeople, owners and breeders are the foundation of the industry, "the demand from customers is what is essentially important. That is the essence of the argument that must be dealt with or else you are swimming upstream and the current will push you back ultimately."

As far as NASCAR goes, they too have been looking at things to get the fan back (in terms of amenities and lowering prices): http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-...,3441287.story

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For decades now, fans have been getting perpetually bilked by the greedy, gluttonous purveyors of big-time sports.

Now that the economy is in the toilet, the purveyors suddenly say they want to accommodate their fans.

Shouldn't this have been their mission all along?

The Judge · 02-20-2009, 05:52 PM

is an important component of racing what would we want to see. In the old days at Golden Gate Fields on a Saturday we had race 1.) mdn claiming 2.) $25,000 claimer 3.) nw1 4.)mdn special 5.) nw3 6). $40,000 claimers real hard knockers 7) $50,000 stakes 8) Grade 2/3 or another stakes race (9 nw2/3/4 10) mdn claimer or 6,500 claimer the lowest claiming price at the track. Full competive fields shippers, from Santa Anita, Hollywood Park,Long Acers, Turf Paradise,etc.

You certaintly would need top horses that ran at 4 and 5 you would need to see the top horses facing each other more then on BC day and those horses would have to run more often. Of course then there are the drugs. This is just on the horse product side.

Gambling of course is what makes us even care about racing but who wants a diet of low level claimers that keep their form for 1 race, small fields and bad treatment all roll into one.

JustRalph · 02-20-2009, 06:10 PM

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Im not a NASCAR follower but it's a great spectator sport with big big money involved. .

Nascar would be all about "The Show" and having followed it for 30 years, and living in the cradle of Nascar, having watched the Super Bowl a few weeks back with some Pit crew types and generally rubbing elbows with them, I will defer to your opine. You know better.

misscashalot · 02-20-2009, 07:43 PM

slewis I think he's full of shit. Horse Racing wholy fits into the GAMBLING/Entertainment business. This is the MAJOR problem with racetrack management. These idiots think they're in the horse racing business, which is why the backbone of their business, the gambler, gets treated like crap.
This is not DUBAI.... without gambling .. there would be no racetracks to watch races.

Your dead wrong. Without gambling there would be no horse racing...
Case closed. Dont debate this, please.

Gotta agree with slewis on this one