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08-24-2018, 09:30 AM
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The observation about Chart Callers is factually incorrect based on my person experience. I've called charts and written notes. I've spent thousands of hours with Chart Callers. It is expected that footnotes contain opinion. Just look at the footnotes for NY races as an example.
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08-24-2018, 11:14 AM
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@TimeformUSfigs
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Regardless of if, and obviously that is a big if, the jockey excuse is true, doesn't it beg the question of why we are still using hotboxes in 2018. Clearly this is a practice that needs to go. I'd rather have a strong, overweight jockey than one that is dehydrated to make weight. If you can't make weight and the trainer doesn't want to use you, might be time for a new profession.
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08-24-2018, 12:46 PM
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#48
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08-24-2018, 02:20 PM
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Seems pretty simple to me, the trainer stated he bet the horse in second and third. The jockey was following instructions, do not win run second or third. The trainer pissed away a good shot here. Tried to fix the race so he could win a little of the purse and a little on the bet, instead of just trying to win the race.
IMO, they should not be in the game anymore, and there are others that need to be thrown out also. Maybe they should just all run in LA, that state seems not to care.
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08-24-2018, 03:47 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
Join Date: Mar 2001
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Clearly, a lifetime ban is called for here.
This thieving little bastard has no business on any race track ever again.
And of course, JAIL time is called for.
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08-24-2018, 09:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jay68802
Seems pretty simple to me, the trainer stated he bet the horse in second and third. The jockey was following instructions, do not win run second or third. The trainer pissed away a good shot here. Tried to fix the race so he could win a little of the purse and a little on the bet, instead of just trying to win the race.
IMO, they should not be in the game anymore, and there are others that need to be thrown out also. Maybe they should just all run in LA, that state seems not to care.
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Why would it matter if he won if the Trainer only bet the horse Place/Show? He'd still cash his tickets for the same prices as the top 3 horses wouldn't have changed whether he ran 1st or 2nd.
Unless he bet another horse or 2 to win?
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08-24-2018, 09:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
Why would it matter if he won if the Trainer only bet the horse Place/Show? He'd still cash his tickets for the same prices as the top 3 horses wouldn't have changed whether he ran 1st or 2nd.
Unless he bet another horse or 2 to win?
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He said he bet his other horse to win over the horse in question, so they were exacta and tri bets.
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08-24-2018, 10:23 PM
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The Voice of Reason!
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So this a case of betting on horses other than the one you own/train.
Lifetime ban for the bastard trainer as well.
This is a great example of why horsemen should never be allowed to make a bet on any race period.
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08-24-2018, 10:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj
He said he bet his other horse to win over the horse in question, so they were exacta and tri bets.
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They should all get a year ban (at the least).
Not only are they fixing the winner, they are fixing exotics. That is crazy ballsy stupid kind of stuff.
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08-24-2018, 10:40 PM
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Lifetime bans for the trainer and jockey...and a self-imposed lifetime ban for us, from ever betting on another Gulfstream race.
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