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Old 02-20-2018, 02:30 PM   #316
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National 21 to buy a gun wouldn't have stopped Parkland?
No.

The gun was purchased a year in advance. Hand guns have a 21 age and the majority of murders occur with them and mostly affect the demographic that legally isn't allowed to own them.

The age thing doesn't work.
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Old 02-20-2018, 02:41 PM   #317
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Then how are you any different than the guy who buys an AR for an emergency?

I never carry FWIW.
If I don't carry...then I don't feel protected. Whatever "danger" I've ever encountered in my life has always been "on the road"...at "home" I feel safe. A weapon would be of no use to me if it sits in my desk drawer.

Am I the same as the guy who buys an AR? Maybe...but I'm still not foolish enough to think that, by doing so, I am somehow protecting myself against a government attack.
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:09 PM   #318
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Long guns I would steer you to a Remington 1100, like it because it fits in Trap shooting and home defense. Females love the AR15, less kick and very easy to master in a formal training setting that believe it or not they are all for.
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:17 PM   #319
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If I don't carry...then I don't feel protected. Whatever "danger" I've ever encountered in my life has always been "on the road"...at "home" I feel safe. A weapon would be of no use to me if it sits in my desk drawer.

Am I the same as the guy who buys an AR? Maybe...but I'm still not foolish enough to think that, by doing so, I am somehow protecting myself against a government attack.
We are products of our environment.

When I was a child my home was broken in to. I can assure my home is not one you want to break into now as it will not end well. As far as not carrying I've never felt the need to except when I was younger working in a pretty rough area. There is a firearm in my car 95% of the time but that is far more a product of my lifestyle than any desire for protection.

As far as why I have a SHTF weapon the answer is simple... Because I can and preparedness is key. Do I ever plan on slugging it out with Marines or National Guardsmen? No, of course not. The more likely event is a power grid failure, earthquake, race riot, flood, terrorist act, you name it.

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Old 02-20-2018, 03:20 PM   #320
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Long guns I would steer you to a Remington 1100, like it because it fits in Trap shooting and home defense. Females love the AR15, less kick and very easy to master in a formal training setting that believe it or not they are all for.
For the house I'd recommend a pump over a gas anything but yes a shotgun is a better home defense weapon than a run of the mill AR.
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:21 PM   #321
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The armed insurrection discussion is also interesting though because I think most vastly underestimate the people's chances. Especially with if a sizeable portion of the population were sympathetic towards them.
Plus, not every member of the US armed forces is going to be so gung-ho about going to war against their fellow Americans, whether they be armed or not...which of course is part of your "sizable portion" sympathetic comment.
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:40 PM   #322
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Plus, not every member of the US armed forces is going to be so gung-ho about going to war against their fellow Americans, whether they be armed or not...which of course is part of your "sizable portion" sympathetic comment.
If 1 out of every 10 Americans who owns a axe went out one night and cut down a pole you would have nationwide anarchy the next morning.
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[QUOTE=elysiantraveller;2279823] The more likely event is a power grid failure, earthquake, race riot, flood, terrorist act, you name it.[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with this comment. I am also fully prepared if needed. My AR-15's and handguns have only been used at the range. If God forbid one of the above mentioned does happen my family and I are prepared.
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Easy for you to say but what about people that lack common sense.
Now you're talking BREEDING control, not GUN control.
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Old 02-20-2018, 03:50 PM   #325
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If 1 out of every 10 Americans who owns a axe went out one night and cut down a pole you would have nationwide anarchy the next morning.
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Old 02-20-2018, 04:43 PM   #326
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Point still stands though and history is littered with revolutions. Every global hegemon has been undone by revolution. As your boy says;

"Revolution is the locomotive of history."
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If 1 out of every 10 Americans who owns a axe went out one night and cut down a pole you would have nationwide anarchy the next morning.
I don't think there's that many Polish people in this country.
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National 21 to buy a gun wouldn't have stopped Parkland?
how's it working out in Chicago?
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National 21 to buy a gun wouldn't have stopped Parkland?
You cannot prove that it would.
There a lot of ways to get a gun besides legally.
You are speculating. He could have gotten one from the obama people - they have handed them out freely in the past.

If a guy is going to break the law against murder, what makes you think he will obey a law about buying a gun? Or show up with worse, like bombs?

You guys are looking at this with blinders on and you already have decided what the solution before even defining the problem.
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Old 02-21-2018, 07:12 AM   #330
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No surprise there. A girl under 18 could get pregnant and have an abortion (even a 13yo) and not need any parental notice before having the medical procedure (at least in certain states...not sure if this is now a nationwide thing).

The "it takes a village to raise a child" meme is now in full effect.

Eventually, parents won't be necessary at all. The state will fill that role completely.
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