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Old 10-09-2020, 09:45 PM   #1
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Should racetracks show will pays for the larger pick 6 pools?

I ask this because there is one racetrack I know of that refuses to show will pays and how many tickets are alive to what horses in the final leg. I called them out twice last year and got the same response. The mutuels department would only say the reasoning behind this is to prevent race manipulation. She would not elaborate. Then it got me thinking about a pick 6 race at Gulfstream a few years ago where 1 ticket was alive to a very large pool. The race looked all locked up for the win but something funny happened with the horse and someone lost huge in the final strides. Who knows it could be bad luck, bad karma or something else. This sport has never been 100% on the up and up and that is a fact. Was this mutuel person basically saying someone could manipulate a race if they knew only 1 ticket was alive or what horse was needed ? Why would they do that ?
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Old 10-10-2020, 12:08 AM   #2
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I ask this because there is one racetrack I know of that refuses to show will pays and how many tickets are alive to what horses in the final leg. I called them out twice last year and got the same response. The mutuels department would only say the reasoning behind this is to prevent race manipulation. She would not elaborate. Then it got me thinking about a pick 6 race at Gulfstream a few years ago where 1 ticket was alive to a very large pool. The race looked all locked up for the win but something funny happened with the horse and someone lost huge in the final strides. Who knows it could be bad luck, bad karma or something else. This sport has never been 100% on the up and up and that is a fact. Was this mutuel person basically saying someone could manipulate a race if they knew only 1 ticket was alive or what horse was needed ? Why would they do that ?

Gulfstream is notorious for not putting up their pick 6 will-pays on the jackpot bet, I think they're the only ones who consistently do this. The reason is because I think they had a controversial situation where a ticket was posted as a will-pay of a jackpot to the horse who ended up going off favored, but because there was a scratched horse someone else scratched into that fave & therefore there were multiple winning tickets so no jackpot. On the rare occasion that there are no scratches in the finale at GP you'll see them post the pick 6 will-pays. I imagine it's pool manipulation they are looking to avoid, not actual race manipulation. It is inexcusable that they don't do a workaround of this & at least show how many tickets are alive to each horse (including scratched ones) before the final leg.
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The track I was referring to is Mahoning Valley. What do you mean by pool manipulation?
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The track I was referring to is Mahoning Valley. What do you mean by pool manipulation?

If someone had an interest in making a certain horse favored at post-time or not favored they could possibly bet large amounts, cancel wagers etc.
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