Epidemiologist: Why Lockdowns Are The Wrong Policy

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by davew

still trying to comprehend how lancet could retract a published peer reviewed scientific study on hydroxychloroquine

Think politics had anything to do with the original report?

The drug may or may not be effective, but every study so far either uses the wrong dosage, gives it to the wrong target group of patients for which some claim there is a benefit, does not include the other drugs required etc..

Is is so hard to simply listen to the doctors that are saying it helps and testing EXACTLY what they are saying to do in the right combination at the right time ?

It's like one politically motivated study after the other or all these people are idiots.

It may not work. but at least study it right.

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

https://www.news-journalonline.com/n...-cases-to-date

Hospitalizations down. It sounds like most of the new wave of cases is in people who will not be affected in a serious way. Is that a bad thing?

[AndyC]

Originally Posted by clicknow

.........I'm interested in seeing other seasonal stuff like the teacher thing:https://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2...ts-hire-1.html

Not opening up schools in the fall might be one of the all time dumb moves. I would hope sanity prevails and the teachers get hired back.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by davew

still trying to comprehend how lancet could retract a published peer reviewed scientific study on hydroxychloroquine

Just had a story about that in the NY POST Thursday....WHO now advocating more testing of it.

Experts......there are none.

Maybe if they looked at the drug and not diss it because Trump supported it, we might be saving more lives.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by AndyC

Hospitalizations down. It sounds like most of the new wave of cases is in people who will not be affected in a serious way. Is that a bad thing?

How many older people will now die because of the total disregard by the a****** protesters out there the last two weeks?

Hopefully, the second waves will target younger people.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Tom

Just had a story about that in the NY POST Thursday....WHO now advocating more testing of it.

Experts......there are none.

Maybe if they looked at the drug and not diss it because Trump supported it, we might be saving more lives.

Yup, WHO flipped again!

[Tom]

Hey, I figured out a way to go to Belmont and watch the races live.

Have your group meet at the main gate at 1:00.
Everyone be carrying signs that say BLM or No Justice No Peace.
When the guards come to tell you to go away, everyone throw up your arms and yell Hand up! Don't Shoot!


They HAVE to let you in........

[highernote]

Not only did New Zealand flatten the curve, it looks like they might have eliminated the virus from their country. It remains to be seen, but they did the same thing as Gunnison, Colorado did during the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918, but on a larger scale.

Gunnison required everyone who wanted to enter to go into a 3 to 5 day quarantine. If you left town you couldn't get back in without going through quarantine.

https://www.rtmagazine.com/disorders...-flu-pandemic/

Gunnison declared a “quarantine against all the world”. It erected barricades, sequestered visitors, arrested violators, closed schools and churches and banned parties and street gatherings, a de facto lockdown that lasted four months.

It worked. Gunnison emerged from the pandemic’s first two waves – by far the deadliest – without a single case. It was one of a handful of so-called “escape communities” that researchers have analyzed for insights into containing the apparently uncontainable.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

Think politics had anything to do with the original report?

The drug may or may not be effective, but every study so far either uses the wrong dosage, gives it to the wrong target group of patients for which some claim there is a benefit, does not include the other drugs required etc..

Is is so hard to simply listen to the doctors that are saying it helps and testing EXACTLY what they are saying to do in the right combination at the right time ?

It's like one politically motivated study after the other or all these people are idiots.

It may not work. but at least study it right.

Wait, you mean the story in Lancet was false? Over Harry's pronouncements that it was all true? For Harry's reading enjoyment.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/healt...arch-c-1081149

The study, which came from Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston and health care analytics company Surgisphere Corp, was published in The Lancet two weeks ago. The Lancet made the decision to pull the paper after the study’s authors issued a retraction on Thursday.

The authors said concerns had been raised with respect to the veracity of the data and its analyses. They said they launched an independent review to confirm the findings, but said Surgisphere would not provide access to all of the data.

Surgisphere is an American healthcare analytics company established in 2008 by Sapan Desai. The company came under scrutiny after it had provided large datasets of COVID-19 patients that were subsequently found to be unreliable.

The World Health Organisation suspended hydroxychloroquine from its global drug trials for COVID-19 treatments on May 26 due to the safety concerns raised in the study.

The WHO is the ultimate clown show. I'd rather ask health questions of Who than the WHO.

The real problem here is researchers having initial bias confirmed by suspect data. Their bias will not allow for critical questioning of the data. In this case, it took a doctor from Thailand with extensive experience in Africa to suggest that very few high quality medical records do not exist in Africa even though the study suggested that 4,400 high quality records were found there.

[davew]

data? we don't want to give you no stinking data....


reminds me of some of the catastrophic climate change research

[classhandicapper]

The thing I found most disturbing about this was that I started following a lot of doctors and epidimologists on Twitter during this period. Some of them were doing regular appearances on TV. Their political leanings were so overwhelmingly obvious and clearly impacting their thinking.

It was beyond ridiculous.

I have zero qualifications for knowing if this drug works or not, but they were seizing on any and all evidence that it doesn't work no matter how ridiculous the study was and no matter how different the dosages, drug combinations, and patient conditions were than what the doctors that claimed some evidence that it was helping used.

Even a pinhead should be able to figure out you should try to duplicate what the doctors are doing to see if THAT works and not go of on tangents proving other things don't work and then applying it to what we haven't tested yet.

[tucker6]

Originally Posted by classhandicapper

The thing I found most disturbing about this was that I started following a lot of doctors and epidimologists on Twitter during this period. Some of them were doing regular appearances on TV. Their political leanings were so overwhelmingly obvious and clearly impacting their thinking.

It was beyond ridiculous.

I have zero qualifications for knowing if this drug works or not, but they were seizing on any and all evidence that it doesn't work no matter how ridiculous the study was and no matter how different the dosages, drug combinations, and patient conditions were than what the doctors that claimed some evidence that it was helping used.

Even a pinhead should be able to figure out you should try to duplicate what the doctors are doing to see if THAT works and not go of on tangents proving other things don't work and then applying it to what we haven't tested yet.

Another red flag to that study was that the side effects seen by the study that has been retracted was far and away more severe than any previous study of hydroxychloroquine. As several non-biased doctors stated, we have 60 years of experience with this drug and no previous study had ever found the drug to have severe effects.

It was all bunk. The whole study. No one will write the retraction in the newspapers saying that the study criticizing Trump was wrong because orange man bad.

[PaceAdvantage]

You should jump down the rabbit hole of science and research...it's an interesting place...

[hcap]

Just a reminder. This thread is about Sweden's laissez-faire epistemological approach and attempt at "herd immunity"

Sweden's lax COVID-19 response caused too many deaths, country's top epidemiologist says
https://www.livescience.com/results-...-response.html

The epidemiologist who led Sweden's controversial COVID-19 response, which did not involve a strict lockdown, now says that the country should have done more to stop the spread of the virus, according to news reports.

"If we were to run into the same disease, knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would end up doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done," Anders Tegnell, the state epidemiologist of the Public Health Agency of Sweden, told Swedish Radio on June 3, according to Reuters.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by hcap

Just a reminder. This thread is about Sweden's laissez-faire epistemological approach and attempt at "herd immunity"

Sweden's lax COVID-19 response caused too many deaths, country's top epidemiologist says
https://www.livescience.com/results-...-response.html

The epidemiologist who led Sweden's controversial COVID-19 response, which did not involve a strict lockdown, now says that the country should have done more to stop the spread of the virus, according to news reports.

"If we were to run into the same disease, knowing exactly what we know about it today, I think we would end up doing something in between what Sweden did and what the rest of the world has done," Anders Tegnell, the state epidemiologist of the Public Health Agency of Sweden, told Swedish Radio on June 3, according to Reuters.

I think every country made mistakes, but far and away the biggest mistake was those countries/states in the US that locked really hard and blew up their economies without focusing most of their attention on nursing homes, assisted living, mental institutions and other elderly and sick people living at home.

That was a catastrophic error because we got both the economic devastation and massively more deaths than were necessary when we already knew from Italy what the high risks groups were.