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Old 01-16-2023, 02:42 PM   #211
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So sad to learn about Avery Whisman.

Imo, he had unlimited potential.

There's no telling how good a rider he could have become.

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Old 01-16-2023, 02:53 PM   #212
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Avery Whisman took his own life after a long personal struggle. You people are some real ghouls.
We are the ones concerned with the huge spike in excess mortality AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE after the vaccines were released into the wild...we are the ones concerned watching young, apparently healthy athletes dropping to their knees clutching their chests MORE THAN EVER these days....we're the ones demanding a serious investigation into a serious "coincidence."

YOU'RE THE ONE WHO WANTS TO IGNORE IT ALL

Yet, we're the ghouls!

Fascinating logic you have going there, Mr. New Mexico
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Old 01-16-2023, 03:01 PM   #213
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Very sorry on the loss of your friend.
Thank you, good man and a horseplayer. We were going down to Tampa and have some fun
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Old 01-16-2023, 04:54 PM   #214
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We are the ones concerned with the huge spike in excess mortality AMONG YOUNG PEOPLE after the vaccines were released into the wild...we are the ones concerned watching young, apparently healthy athletes dropping to their knees clutching their chests MORE THAN EVER these days....we're the ones demanding a serious investigation into a serious "coincidence."

YOU'RE THE ONE WHO WANTS TO IGNORE IT ALL

Yet, we're the ghouls!
You're ghouls for suggesting and attributing random deaths of younger people to the Covid vaccine for no reason other than your confirmation bias. Not only is it ghoulish, it's stupid and pathetic.

As I said earlier, before Covid, 7K children and young adults died every year from SCA. Think of how busy that should have kept you on this forum with almost 20 kids a day dying from cardiac arrest, but I guess most never made the "news". Not like now at least, when such stories can go viral thanks to so many outlets for misinformation.

Your earlier chart showing the sudden uptick in deaths of younger people also just happens to correlate with the Delta surge, which hit young people hard.

https://health.ucdavis.edu/coronavir.../delta-variant

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The symptoms of the delta variant appear to be the same as the original version of COVID-19. However, physicians are seeing people getting sicker quicker, especially for younger people. Recent research found that the delta variant grows more rapidly and to much greater levels in the respiratory tract.
Anyone who attributes an increase in mortalities during that period to the vaccine rather than Covid itself is an un-serious person.
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Old 01-16-2023, 05:08 PM   #215
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Anyone who attributes an increase in mortalities during that period to the vaccine rather than Covid itself is an un-serious person.
Yes, a vaccine that instructs your body to manufacture the spike protein...the same protein in the virus responsible for the cytokine storm that ends up killing a lot of people who contracted COVID...that's not SUS at all...

And the fact that they actually ACKNOWLEDGE the Covid vaccine (as well as the virus itself) can cause myocarditis and pericarditis...which means your heart can be hit TWICE (or more if you get boosted) if you catch COVID and then get vaccinated, or vice versa...none of this concerns you at all as a contributing factor to the uptick in deaths.

Combine that with the fact that the medical community, from the start, has severely downplayed these cardiac risks leads people into a false sense of security...especially athletes.

But don't be like me and demand a serious investigation...just keep sweeping it under the rug.
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C.J. Harris, former American Idol fav, dead at 31

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...estant-dead-31

I'm sure he probably killed himself or had some sort of long term disease...definitely not due to COVID vaccine or anything...
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European Journal of Pediactrics | Published: 05 January 2023
Changes of ECG parameters after BNT162b2 vaccine in the senior high school students:
https://link.springer.com/article/10...04786-0#citeas

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Cardiac symptoms and incidence of cardiac adverse events after BNT162b2 vaccine

Among 7934 eligible students, 4928 (62.1%) completed the pre- and post-vaccine ECGs. The male/female ratio was 4576/352. The mean age was 16.7 (0.9) years. Underlying disease was present in 109 (2.2%) of the patients, with simple congenital heart disease in 33, mitral valve prolapses in 36, arrhythmia in 36, Kawasaki disease in 11, and previous myocarditis in 2. Among the subjects, 9 had more than one underlying disease.

From the questionnaire, the incidence of cardiac-related symptoms after the second dose BNT162b2 vaccine was 17.1%, which was significantly higher than that of the first dose (5.7%, Table 1). The individual items of cardiac-related symptoms as chest pain, palpitations, and dizziness or syncope were significantly higher after the second dose of BNT162b2 vaccine (p < 0.001).

Table 1 The incidence of cardiac related symptoms after the 1st and 2nd dose of BNT162b2 vaccine in our cohort - Link to Table 1

After comparisons of the pre- and post-vaccine ECGs by pediatric cardiologists, 51 (1.03%) students were judged to have significant ECG change after vaccination. The distribution of ECG change is shown in Table 2. Among these 51 students, 12 had cardiac-related symptoms and 31 students were asymptomatic. Thirty-three students sought medical help after positive screening findings. After referral to hospital, with serial examinations including troponin T, C-reactive protein, and follow-up ECG in all, and echocardiography in selected patients, only one (0.02%) asymptomatic boy (patient No 1, Table 3) with new-onset premature ventricular contractions (PVCs) was found to have mildly elevated troponin T. He was followed at an outpatient clinic due to probable myocarditis (Supplementary Fig.*1A). The laboratory data normalized 10*days after vaccine. Ten subjects (23.2%) were suspected of having pericarditis due to ST-T change and increased C-reactive protein, with or without chest pain symptoms, but echocardiography provided negative results in all cases (Supplementary Fig.*1B). Another 4 boys with arrhythmias (patient No 2–5 in Table 3: 2 with sinus bradycardia, 1 with PVCs, and 1 with atrial tachycardia) were judged as significant arrhythmia by pediatric cardiologists (Supplementary Fig.*1C). Three of them who sought medical help showed normal troponin level and normal cardiac function. These 3 patients improved upon follow-up at an outpatient clinic. In these 5 students with significant arrhythmia or myocarditis, only 1 had a cardiac-related symptom. After 1*month of follow-up, no other students enrolled in the present study were diagnosed with myocarditis or other serious cardiac events based on the school reporting system. We also tracked the clinical courses in 18 of the 51 students, who did not adhere to the recommendation of referral, and all showed no symptoms during 1-month follow-up.

A few of my own random thoughts:

This new study published in the European Journal of Pediactrics found that 17% of high school kids in Taipei, Taiwan had cardiac-related symptoms after their second BNT162b vaccine dose. (Link here.)

Seventeen percent.

Does anyone actually think that's okay?

All of the 4928 students included in the study were given pre and post vaccine ECGs by on site pediatric cardiologists.

51 (1.03%) of the students were judged to have significant ECG change after vaccination.

Among these 51 students, 33 sought medical treatment upon learning about their ECG results.

All were eventually cleared.


But for me here's the kicker:

Of the 51 students judged to have have significant ECG change after vaccination 31 (60.8%) had no symptoms.

In an everyday real-world vaccination setting the vaccines are assumed to be safe and effective.

You don't have a team of on-site cardiologists tasked with recording electrical signals and screening for heart conditions of every single person getting vaccinated.

Sure, in an everyday vaccination setting, if you have symptoms and you need help you are going say something.

But in the study, 60.8 percent of kids deemed to have significant ECG change after vaccination didn't have any symptoms.

Had they not been informed of their abnormal ECG results they never would have sought medical treatment.

If the same thing is happening in everyday real-world vaccination settings where NOBODY is getting ECGs unless they say something:

Are 60% of high school aged kids who would have gotten abnormal results had they been given an ECG having no symptoms similar to what was found in the study?

Are these kids simply walking out the door thinking everything is okay?

If so, isn't this a recipe for disaster?



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Are these kids simply walking out the door thinking everything is okay?

If so, isn't this a recipe for disaster?



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EXACTLY the point I was trying to make a few posts back about athletes and them walking around thinking everything is peachy because they've been massively downplaying the cardiac risks associated with these vaccines among young males.

It's INSANE that nobody STILL wants to talk about this in a serious fashion.

Thank you for posting this study.
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And if we do want to talk about it, we are ghouls.

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Old 01-17-2023, 08:36 AM   #222
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European Journal of Pediactrics | Published: 05 January 2023
Changes of ECG parameters after BNT162b2 vaccine in the senior high school students:
https://link.springer.com/article/10...04786-0#citeas
It just hit me, this study is for the second dose of the initial vaccine only. Imagine what the results would show for the first booster, second booster etc.
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C.J. Harris, former American Idol fav, dead at 31

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...estant-dead-31

I'm sure he probably killed himself or had some sort of long term disease...definitely not due to COVID vaccine or anything...
What did the autopsy find? With those result you can stop guessing.
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What did the autopsy find? With those result you can stop guessing.
Funny enough, NEWSWEEK of all places just posted an article about his death (IT WAS A HEART ATTACK - reported by family)

https://www.newsweek.com/cj-harris-c...accine-1774158

Here is the headline from NEWSWEEK:

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Was CJ Harris Cause of Death the COVID Vaccine? What We Know, What We Don't
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