Religion II

[Hank]

Originally Posted by boxcar

That's nice revisionist history.

But I'm glad you have acknowledged that most of the colonies were not communistic but were capitalistic. In fact...I believe it was the Pilgrims who actually experimented with socialism and discovered it wasn't so great.

My you "Christians" never cease to amaze me.You must be a direct descendant of these good "Christians". Their Christian conscience and sensibilities permitted them to quickly discern the inherent "evils" of socialism, but the evil of murdering and double crossing the Natives who helped them to survive and enslaving Africans peoples somehow escaped them.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Hank

My you "Christians" never cease to amaze me.You must be a direct descendant of these good "Christians". Their Christian conscience and sensibilities permitted them to quickly discern the inherent "evils" of socialism, but the evil of murdering and double crossing the Natives who helped them to survive and enslaving Africans peoples somehow escaped them.

Pilgrims and Puritans enslaved Africans? Really? I am truly amazed -- almost, considering the source of this news.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

Like I said before, I like to think of myself as a type of catcher in the rye, keeping folks from falling off intellectual cliffs, is that so bad...? So I'm an idealist, what's wrong with that...? Christians do the same thing, they try to save us...no reason to swear....I'm trying to be polite here...what do you want me to do to make you happy...? Abandon the thread or just go away...? Don't you see change in me...? What would you wish...? After all it is your site...I'm not here to make waves...?

I asked a simple question. You seem to be not only hung up on Jews, but on Christians who are supposedly all out there bugging you to convert.

So I ask, where do you live? I've never had a Christian yet come up to me out of the blue and ask me if I'm a "born again" and try to get me to become one if I'm not...you must live in a unique place.

[VigorsTheGrey]

It seems really important for you to keep hounding me about my supposed anti-semitism....let me say that I have nothing against Jews or Christians as human beings...everyone is free to believe what they wish....just because I don't buy into their religion doesn't make me a monster...just another human who happens to think for himself instead of believing n the bible...what's wrong with that...? Why do you feel a need to paint me in such a negative light all the time...? I guess there is no one one else who is so easy to target....what I have said in the past isn't really so terrible especially since we are referring to imaginary beings like angels, Satan, gods, etc, etc....

What can I do or say to put all this negativity behind us....? I'm really not interested in feeling bad about myself and it doesn't help that you are pointing fingers at me all the time...so what do you want me to do....? How do you want me to behave...? I'm sure to accommodate you...

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by PaceAdvantage

I asked a simple question. You seem to be not only hung up on Jews, but on Christians who are supposedly all out there bugging you to convert.

So I ask, where do you live? I've never had a Christian yet come up to me out of the blue and ask me if I'm a "born again" and try to get me to become one if I'm not...you must live in a unique place.

Jahovah's Witnesses had made a habit of ringing my doorbell every other Sunday...telling me that it was time to AWAKE to their "good news". I remedied the situation by answering the door while wearing only my underwear.

[Actor]

[Light]

Originally Posted by boxcar

No, what I have a tendency to do is call out people on their lies or duplicity.

Your narcissism betrays you. Your ego exudes you. Your righteousness is putrid. You are delusional and think you are doing the bidding of Jesus Christ.

And that's just for starters. Anybody can play these stupid games you play. That doesn't make you right,unique or saved by JC.

You make people run from the Christian religion because they would never want to be like you because your representation is pure ego and low level consciousness such as a worm would have higher than that.

Because what you portray is hatred in the ultimate degree. Do you really think the Christian religion became so big because of hate and anger?

The attraction to Jesus is love that you downplay. You have everything backwards. As a Christian it is not your mission to "call people out" as you say above. You are not JC. You should treat others as you would have them treat you.

Try practicing your religion for a change. Not the religion of ego, hate, and self righteousness.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Light

Your narcissism betrays you. Your ego exudes you. Your righteousness is putrid. You are delusional and think you are doing the bidding of Jesus Christ.

And that's just for starters. Anybody can play these stupid games you play. That doesn't make you right,unique or saved by JC.

You make people run from the Christian religion because they would never want to be like you because your representation is pure ego and low level consciousness such as a worm would have higher than that.

Because what you portray is hatred in the ultimate degree. Do you really think the Christian religion became so big because of hate and anger?

The attraction to Jesus is love that you downplay. You have everything backwards. As a Christian it is not your mission to "call people out" as you say above. You are not JC. You should treat others as you would have them treat you.

Try practicing your religion for a change. Not the religion of ego, hate, and self righteousness.

I don't downplay true biblical love whatsoever. All I've been saying is that you shouldn't go around using the bible to play your games by cherry-picking what you like and tossing out all the rest that you don't like. Since you think the bible is untrustworthy in so many areas, there is no logical reason to trust any of it! You should just stick with the love fest religions of the East to soothe your conscience and stroke your own ego.

My mission is to share the gospel and if that means that I think I should call people out on their hypocrisy or duplicity, then I will -- most people don't think they're capable of such things. If I don't point these things out, who will? Jeremiah the prophet was dead on the mark when he said the human heart is "deceitful above all else, who can know it?"

Finally, I'm not sure who your "JC" guy is. Would he be your drinking buddy, strip club companion or bowling partner or something?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

All I've been saying is that you shouldn't go around using the bible to play your games by cherry-picking what you like and tossing out all the rest that you don't like.

Don't all Christians do that? Isn't that the reason there are so many denominations?

Originally Posted by boxcar

Since you think the bible is untrustworthy in so many areas, there is no logical reason to trust any of it!

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Don't all Christians do that? Isn't that the reason there are so many denominations?

Some do; many others have honest and relatively minor differences.

See you get it. Don't know why our "enlightened" Light can't see the light.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Some do; many others have honest and relatively minor differences.

Wars have been fought over these "honest and relatively minor differences."

Originally Posted by boxcar

See you get it. Don't know why our "enlightened" Light can't see the light.

What I "get" is that "there is no logical reason to trust any of it! (the Bible)"

[HalvOnHorseracing]

Well boxcar, I've got good news and bad news. The good news is that you are off ignore. The bad news - I'm retiring from the Off Topic - General. Well,maybe that's not bad news. I just had to announce it somewhere, so why not here. Anybody who wants to talk with me about it can do so privately.

One other piece of good news/bad news. I'm not retiring from PA. I'll still participate in the horseracing section.

[PaceAdvantage]

Originally Posted by VigorsTheGrey

It seems really important for you to keep hounding me about my supposed anti-semitism....let me say that I have nothing against Jews or Christians as human beings...everyone is free to believe what they wish....just because I don't buy into their religion doesn't make me a monster...just another human who happens to think for himself instead of believing n the bible...what's wrong with that...? Why do you feel a need to paint me in such a negative light all the time...? I guess there is no one one else who is so easy to target....what I have said in the past isn't really so terrible especially since we are referring to imaginary beings like angels, Satan, gods, etc, etc....

What can I do or say to put all this negativity behind us....? I'm really not interested in feeling bad about myself and it doesn't help that you are pointing fingers at me all the time...so what do you want me to do....? How do you want me to behave...? I'm sure to accommodate you...

Look in the mirror friend and actually practice what you preach.

Certainly NOT everyone is free to believe as they wish...you keep telling those here who ARE free to believe as they wish that they are basically stupid dumb-asses and that YOU are the clear-thinking person in the discussion.

YOU are being as BIG a pest as you accuse THEM of being! You are trying to convert THEM as much as they are trying to convert YOU (and in fact, nobody here is actively trying to convert you...not even Boxcar).

In fact, you are as bad as those you rail against.

[jimmyb]

Originally Posted by Light

Your narcissism betrays you. Your ego exudes you. Your righteousness is putrid. You are delusional and think you are doing the bidding of Jesus Christ.

And that's just for starters. Anybody can play these stupid games you play. That doesn't make you right,unique or saved by JC.

You make people run from the Christian religion because they would never want to be like you because your representation is pure ego and low level consciousness such as a worm would have higher than that.

Because what you portray is hatred in the ultimate degree. Do you really think the Christian religion became so big because of hate and anger?

The attraction to Jesus is love that you downplay. You have everything backwards. As a Christian it is not your mission to "call people out" as you say above. You are not JC. You should treat others as you would have them treat you.

Try practicing your religion for a change. Not the religion of ego, hate, and self righteousness.

What he just said!!!

[dnlgfnk]

Originally Posted by Actor

Don't all Christians do that? Isn't that the reason there are so many denominations?

Catholicism and Orthodoxy represented the two lungs of Christianity for roughly 15 centuries. And the disputes that gradually grew between the two after the early councils were far from scriptural only. One can consult historical sources on the East-West schism. It may be the case that there are more significant disputes in quantum physics than between the two branches mentioned above (papal primacy, the presence of the "Filioque" in the Nicene Creed, marital questions and purgation after death).

I always associated the divisions within Protestantism as largely associated with the printing press (solo scriptura, to which sola scriptura tends in my view) conjoined to man's pride and concupiscence. Yet Paul Feyerabend wrote about the parallel incoherence of the empiricism of the early moderns with sola scriptura...

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feyerabend/#LateSixt

...so I suppose I should thank you for inadvertently leading me to further reading.