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Old 04-23-2018, 09:15 PM   #16
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Condition 2 can be met with a slow pace if the race indeed did fall apart. 3 E types can go for the lead and it only be a moderate pace then a closer comes and gobbles them up. This is my understanding, class is the expert.
Right.

I've even seen races where there were 5-6 speed types and everyone thought there was going to be a duel. Then, all the jockeys choked and rated. The fractions were not fast, but so many horses got taken out of their game the race fell apart anyway. That's something I want to know too.
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Old 04-23-2018, 09:24 PM   #17
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If only Condition #2 were present, it sounds like Class is saying that the race would not be given a "C". Even if 4 horses in a five horse field went head to head at a very fast rate (velocity). Why is the pre-race analysis critical in determining if a race is worthy of earning it a "C"? I guess it's a backstop.
The problem with looking at just running styles is that the horses don't always run the way you expect.

The problem with just looking at the chart is that races can flow one way or the other without it having been related to the fractions, how contentious the race was, or the fact that some of the secondary speeds got outrun or put away by a dominant one.

The problem with looking at just the fractions is that sometimes they are fast but the race does not fall apart and sometimes they are slow and it does.

Timeform is giving you the fraction related information and the Race Flow symbols are looking at the makeup of the field and the chart.

If you put it all together, you are likely to be right a lot more often than looking at any one of them alone.

If you want to take even further you can look at the PPs of the horses, look at the chart yourself, and watch the replay. A detailed subjective analysis like that will given you an even better understanding.
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