Songbird Alabama

[MonmouthParkJoe]

After that race, in reality who is going to show up? Cotillion at Philly Park is double the purse I believe at $1 million and is a couple weeks later. Hard enough to get entries for this past race, I can only imagine who shows up now. Gives other fillies a chance to be graded stakes placed or even win if she loses, but with another big race for twice the amount and avoiding this monster, should be interesting. Maybe the ML will be closer to 1/9

[biggestal99]

Originally Posted by MonmouthParkJoe

After that race, in reality who is going to show up? Cotillion at Philly Park is double the purse I believe at $1 million and is a couple weeks later. Hard enough to get entries for this past race, I can only imagine who shows up now. Gives other fillies a chance to be graded stakes placed or even win if she loses, but with another big race for twice the amount and avoiding this monster, should be interesting. Maybe the ML will be closer to 1/9

Once they saw the destruction of a really good G1 horse, The Alabama might be a walkover.

Allan

[spiketoo]

I also had Bird Song in the 3rd.

[Fager Fan]

Originally Posted by MonmouthParkJoe

After that race, in reality who is going to show up? Cotillion at Philly Park is double the purse I believe at $1 million and is a couple weeks later. Hard enough to get entries for this past race, I can only imagine who shows up now. Gives other fillies a chance to be graded stakes placed or even win if she loses, but with another big race for twice the amount and avoiding this monster, should be interesting. Maybe the ML will be closer to 1/9

The Cotillion is a month after the Alabama and is the race they said Songbird's pointed to after.

[SG4]

Originally Posted by Fager Fan

The Cotillion is a month after the Alabama and is the race they said Songbird's pointed to after.

Sounds like the connections of Cathryn Sophia are going to be pointing to the Cotillion & firing on all cylinders for that one by prepping in a race at Parx ahead of time too. If Off the Tracks & Lewis Bay show up in the Alabama it looks like Songbird will get a chance to vanquish each of the top east coast horses at some point this summer.

Haven't seen it mentioned here yet, but Rachel Valentina retired today as well so that's one less big name to encounter.

[Redboard]

Cathryn Sophia would be better off running in the PA Derby, rather than face this filly in the Cotillion. She is the real deal.

[horses4courses]

Exceptional fillies - both of them.
We're lucky to have them around.

[thespaah]

You guys are forgetting one important ingredient.
A picture in the winner's circle is every owner's and horsemen's dream come true. if you win at The Spa that is a sign that you have "arrived"...
With that said, many horses, especially ion graded stakes are pointed to the Saratoga meet. For this reason, many top of the heap in their respective division horses have gone down to defeat.
I would expect there will be connections that may take a shot in the Alabama
One other thing. The Alabama is a 10 F event. Farther than many fillies have ever been or will be in the remainder of their respective racing careers.
If I had a filly that was of pretty good stock and she had distance in her pedigree, I would train her up to such a race. Why not?

[EMD4ME]

Here's a revolutionary thought.....

Enter 2 horses. 1 who will show good speed (rabbit) and your stalker/closer.

If 3 barns did so, we'd have 6 entries right there. Plus Songbird plus 3-5 other normal average contenders and VIOLA.

10-12 horse field. 10F, chaos could happen. Flow could happen, trips might ensue, chalk can lose.

OR she overcomes it all and FURTHER expands her Legacy. Either way I'm happy.

Why wouldn't a barn take a chance at G1 Black Type.

Sick of these 6 horse fields in these races. Go for it, darn it!

All it takes is 1 bump at the gate (More likely to happen and have larger damage if there are 12 in the gate vs 5), 1 box in, 1 suicide send etc......

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by Redboard

Cathryn Sophia would be better off running in the PA Derby, rather than face this filly in the Cotillion. She is the real deal.

You might be right. The Derby could be easier.

While Carina Mia is a fabulous filly. Cathryn Sophia is in a another league even from her.

Sophia's numbers on Thorograph have been consistently faster than Songbird's from the very beginning.

I don't know who would win but I'd walk barefoot over broken glass to see it.

Can't remember a time we've had so many truly GREAT horses in training at the same time.

California Chrome
Dortmund
Frosted
Songbird
Cathryn Sophia
Nyquist
Exaggerator
Tepin
Beholder

Let's get em all to the GREAT RACE PLACE Nov 4 & 5 and let it wash over us.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by thespaah

You guys are forgetting one important ingredient.
A picture in the winner's circle is every owner's and horsemen's dream come true. if you win at The Spa that is a sign that you have "arrived"...
With that said, many horses, especially ion graded stakes are pointed to the Saratoga meet. For this reason, many top of the heap in their respective division horses have gone down to defeat.
I would expect there will be connections that may take a shot in the Alabama
One other thing. The Alabama is a 10 F event. Farther than many fillies have ever been or will be in the remainder of their respective racing careers.
If I had a filly that was of pretty good stock and she had distance in her pedigree, I would train her up to such a race. Why not?

I would buy this argument about why people run no chance entries in the Ky Derby.

But Saratoga? The vast, vast majority of people in this gane do not give two hoots about Saratoga as a "special" place. That is a totally parochial, New York view.

[thespaah]

Originally Posted by dilanesp

I would buy this argument about why people run no chance entries in the Ky Derby.

But Saratoga? The vast, vast majority of people in this gane do not give two hoots about Saratoga as a "special" place. That is a totally parochial, New York view.

I may be biased, but here is the cold hard reality...Sartaoga is THE preeminent horse racing meeting in North America.
Period. Done. End of story.
And please...don't try telling me that getting a picture taken in the winner's circle at Saratoga is viewed as insignificant or ho hum.
Because it just ain't true.

[v j stauffer]

Originally Posted by thespaah

I may be biased, but here is the cold hard reality...Sartaoga is THE preeminent horse racing meeting in North America.
Period. Done. End of story.
And please...don't try telling me that getting a picture taken in the winner's circle at Saratoga is viewed as insignificant or ho hum.
Because it just ain't true.

I'm a 57 year old west coast guy. I've never been to Saratoga and I agree with thespaah.

[dilanesp]

Originally Posted by thespaah

I may be biased, but here is the cold hard reality...Sartaoga is THE preeminent horse racing meeting in North America.
Period. Done. End of story.
And please...don't try telling me that getting a picture taken in the winner's circle at Saratoga is viewed as insignificant or ho hum.
Because it just ain't true.

One way to determine whether this is true is to look at average field sizes of big open stakes at Saratoga. Are they any larger than those at Del Mar, for instance? I've seen plenty of 5 horse (and even a few 4 and 3 horse) fields in the major Saratoga stakes over the years.

[classhandicapper]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I'm a 57 year old west coast guy. I've never been to Saratoga

I'm a 57 year old east coast guy and made sure I saw Delmar (Lava Man's Pacific Classic). What are you waiting for? You have to see Saratoga!