CHEATERS PROSPER @CALDER

[CryingForTheHorses]

Originally Posted by takeout

"I hope I am not placed in danger and that my name is not revealed," the informant wrote, adding that Ziadie often killed barn pigeons with a shotgun.

Comment: That sentence seems a bit odd. Surely he wasn’t shooting around the track barns? ?? I could use a few more details with that one.

Man get real..Killing pigeons with a shotgun!!..Thats the craziest thing I have ever heard..Let a shotgun go off in a barn and you would have lots of horses breaking out of their stalls.A ststement like this tells me the" imformant" doesnt know what he is talking about. The Steve Cross scandel was about a guy getting kickbacks for goods sold to the racetrack for use on the track and elsewhere.This has nothing to do with fixing races.This guy screwed Calder out of millions of dollars.I still cant see how you say people are cheating when they pass drug tests after their races.Have you not noticed that Zaidie/Calabrese win races on the drop?..Many have his wins come from horse on the drop.I also encourage you to look up why Zaidie was suspended...I dont see any frog juice or snake venem in his list..I do see failed to have papers in office and I also see ace-promozene which is a tranquilizer used by many horseman in the morning to settle down unruly or skittish horses.If your out to win races why would you want to slow them down with this.I dont see any thing about another certain trainer who's bad drug test record far exceds Zadies..I have also mentioned how these guys will spend a ton of money with the vet to win..When you have a horse dropping from 32k to 6250 he should win on class alone.The above link in my opinion was written by disgruntled people who had nothing to contribute to the sport except trying to make a bad name for Calder.That Gina Sylvestry wants to sue everybody for everything.She even claimed a horse off me a few year ago and wanted to sue me and the track for letting the horse run.The horse won the race that she claimed it out of.I for one cant buy into the race fixing crap here at Calder because these jocks arent smart enough to know what to do..Most of them will ride a mile race like they are going 5 furlongs.I really think you need to read where this is coming from before you decide not to watch Calder..

[Tom]

Originally Posted by wisconsin

What did I miss here? The horse was a bomb. It's when these types are bet down that you get suspicious, not when they are ignored in the ppols.

Dropping in class, coming off lasix and removing front wraps.....draw lin through most of his races and you have a fresh horse with some changes ina crappy race of losers......I would not put him on top, but at FL, place and show holes of an exotic is a real possibility.

[The Bit]

Originally Posted by johnhenry81

Take about cheating. Check out Finger lakes race 5 yesterday, "Melody Queen"

That brazen guy bent the people over without opology what so ever.

It's guys like that, the owner/ trainer who are only in the game for a gambling score that really hurt the industry.

I disagree.

I didn't "like" the horse, but I did use her in exacts and tris with the 5.

They were coming out of the same, tougher condition race. The 4 was 2nd off the layoff, which made it at least plausible that she could close the 8 length gap on the 5.

And than the three favorites go out and draw away prematurely and here comes the 4 plodding along.

[Karakiozis]

Originally Posted by McSchell_Racing

Man get real..Killing pigeons with a shotgun!!..Thats the craziest thing I have ever heard..Let a shotgun go off in a barn and you would have lots of horses breaking out of their stalls.A ststement like this tells me the" imformant" doesnt know what he is talking about. The Steve Cross scandel was about a guy getting kickbacks for goods sold to the racetrack for use on the track and elsewhere.This has nothing to do with fixing races.This guy screwed Calder out of millions of dollars.I still cant see how you say people are cheating when they pass drug tests after their races.Have you not noticed that Zaidie/Calabrese win races on the drop?..Many have his wins come from horse on the drop.I also encourage you to look up why Zaidie was suspended...I dont see any frog juice or snake venem in his list..I do see failed to have papers in office and I also see ace-promozene which is a tranquilizer used by many horseman in the morning to settle down unruly or skittish horses.If your out to win races why would you want to slow them down with this.I dont see any thing about another certain trainer who's bad drug test record far exceds Zadies..I have also mentioned how these guys will spend a ton of money with the vet to win..When you have a horse dropping from 32k to 6250 he should win on class alone.The above link in my opinion was written by disgruntled people who had nothing to contribute to the sport except trying to make a bad name for Calder.That Gina Sylvestry wants to sue everybody for everything.She even claimed a horse off me a few year ago and wanted to sue me and the track for letting the horse run.The horse won the race that she claimed it out of.I for one cant buy into the race fixing crap here at Calder because these jocks arent smart enough to know what to do..Most of them will ride a mile race like they are going 5 furlongs.I really think you need to read where this is coming from before you decide not to watch Calder..

According to the article the racing secretary was allowed to own and bet on horses, ENOUGH SAID!!!

[lamboguy]

Originally Posted by Karakiozis

According to the article the racing secretary was allowed to own and bet on horses, ENOUGH SAID!!!

i never heard of that one before in my entire life

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by Karakiozis

According to the article the racing secretary was allowed to own and bet on horses, ENOUGH SAID!!!

And let's not forget that the Calder track officials themselves were reported to be involved in outright race-fixing...

[CryingForTheHorses]

Originally Posted by Karakiozis

According to the article the racing secretary was allowed to own and bet on horses, ENOUGH SAID!!!

I have read the entire article,Doesnt tell me anything about the racing secretary being ALLOWED to own horses ALL that is HERESAY!!! .You read into this what you want.All Im saying is you have disgruntled owners and trainers who have gotten ruled off for causing trouble and are trying to slander everything and everyone they can. They want their 15 mins of fame!

[CryingForTheHorses]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

And let's not forget that the Calder track officials themselves were reported to be involved in outright race-fixing...

If they were reported to be racefixing,Then why havent they be arrested?.

[thaskalos]

Originally Posted by McSchell_Racing

If they were reported to be racefixing,Then why havent they be arrested?.

Arrested?

You've got to be kidding me...

NOBODY get's arrested in this game...no matter what they do.

Don't you know that all these issues are handled "in-house"...and away from the betting public's prying eyes?

Every race-fixing scandal that has been reported in this game has been covered up to such an extent...it is virtually impossible for the public to find out what really happened.

It took us 20 years to find out that there was race-fixing involving the jockeys in Louisiana...and I suspect it will take us just as long to find out what really happened at Tampa in 2005 -- when 11 jockeys were suspended without any reason or explanation given to the betting public.

Everything to protect the "integrity" of the game...

[PhantomOnTour]

The truth lies somewhere btw what was written in the article and what McShell is writing.

I seriously doubt these folks are just troublemakers who got ruled off and now wanna sue everyone and their momma.
However, as McShell points out, firing a shotgun at pigeons on the backside !!?? Did he mean to say BB gun maybe?
A shotgun is loud folks and would attract lots of attention....freak the horses out too.
Anyway, that and the mysterious disappearance (which begs the question but has no follow up...payed off? whacked? what?) of a key witness makes me doubt a lot of this article.

I am gonna google a few names in the piece and see what comes up from sources other than the New Times

[Tom]

Well, what they allege might be true, but i have a hard time believing anything in that article. It was obvious by the second paragraph the writer knows nothing about horse racing. And page after page, there is a big lack of evidence and a heavy helping of innuendo.

It smacks of an agenda piece aka the New York Times.

Might be true, sometimes liars and idiots get it right, but if it is true, I'll wait until some legitimate reporting appears. This was not it.

Full disclosure, I have not played Calder in years and consider it, for whatever reasons, unplayable. No dog in this hunt. I'd play tiddly winks before I played Calder.

[BlueShoe]

Originally Posted by McSchell_Racing

Man get real..Killing pigeons with a shotgun!!..Thats the craziest thing I have ever heard..

For sure, discharging a firearm of any kind on the grounds of any race track is almost certainly strickly forbidden. However, if absolutely necessary to control very small urban pests like pigeons with a firearm, there is a solution. A .22 CB cap round is virtually silent, with only a tiny pop. The low velocity bullet has little penetration, and at very close range is effective medicine for curing a pigeon, crow, or rat problem without alerting the neighbors.

[Striker]

I don't see too much in this example the writer gives in the article that would cause red flags to fly up IMO. This horse won 2nd time off the claim for FCC/Ziadie and horses usually do improve for whoever the trainer is when FCC makes a claim. How? I don't know. They took him for 10k and he won a Str 6250 with at least a 7 lb weight advantage on each horse but one, that seems reasonable to me. The writer also uses that Sole Runner is small in size especially compared to the favorite in the race who is larger and taller than Sole Runner. Are we to believe that the biggest horse will always win the race? Of course being bigger is a positive but that isn't going to lead the horse into the winners circle each race. Clearly, this horse favors Calder(5 of his 6 wins have come here) over Gulfstream, where he is 0/7 with hitting the board one time in those 7 races. The writer uses the fact that Sole Runner hasn't done anything in his 6 races this year. Well, 4 of those races were at Gulfstream with tougher competition and he may not like that track also. The fact that he went off at 16-1 tells me either Frank wasn't there, or didn't bet this horse at all, as he is a pretty large bettor and will usually back his horses. You would think if Ziadie did do something illegal that he would of told Frank that the horse should improve or win this race. Now whether he tells FCC why I am not sure if he would disclose that or not. This example doesn't even qualify as the preface to the chronicles of Ness.

[rubicon55]

Originally Posted by thaskalos

Arrested?

You've got to be kidding me...

NOBODY get's arrested in this game...no matter what they do.

Don't you know that all these issues are handled "in-house"...and away from the betting public's prying eyes?

Every race-fixing scandal that has been reported in this game has been covered up to such an extent...it is virtually impossible for the public to find out what really happened.

It took us 20 years to find out that there was race-fixing involving the jockeys in Louisiana...and I suspect it will take us just as long to find out what really happened at Tampa in 2005 -- when 11 jockeys were suspended without any reason or explanation given to the betting public.

Everything to protect the "integrity" of the game...

Probably heard this before but after reading this Gus it seems to me that this also what is so wrong with baseball and how officials hand down so called "punishment" for repeat offenders. As long as I can remember as a kid Baseball and Horseracing was suppose to be some sort of American iconic original sport with heroes and idols and youthful dreams of wanting to be a part of it. I can hardly utter those words anymore with any kind of sincerity- it is so very sad for all Americans who believe in honesty and clean competition. As they say "is nothing sacred anymore?’ truly a sad state we are in these troubling times fueled by greed. Thanks, just had to air my sentiments.

[bob60566]

[QUOTE=thaskalos]The question is...isn't it naive to believe that this is restricted to Calder?

Calder is "major league" compared to some of the other tracks out there...

With the "integrity" that some racetracks exemplify...this kind of thing could be widespread...and we'd never know it.[/QUOTE]

My opinion is that it is wide spread at every track.Now i do not play every track in the country right now MTR and EVD and both tracks have there fair share of super trainers and Questionable riding and even Stewards decisions, and then we have people cancelling there wagers and influencing the pools.
I accept this and there is more going on. when money changs hands.

Now can someone come forward and give me a list of tracks that i can handicap that is clean and none of the above takes place.
I think the list will be?????.
So are we still Handicapping I know i am.
Mac