Turf Racing in New York

[PhantomOnTour]

Is tomorrow (Nov 19) the last day for turf racing this year?

I was semi-listening to ADATR and thought I heard the hosts mentioning that turf racing was about over for the year, but didn't quite catch the exact day it was ending.

Thanks

[NTamm1215]

Yeah this weekend is it for turf racing.

[PhantomOnTour]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Yeah this weekend is it for turf racing.

Thank you

[titans1127]

Usually turf racing at Aqueduct goes until the first Sunday in December but I assume they cut it short due to the courses taking on the Belmont meet plus all the rain in September.

[Robert Fischer]

a couple turf races late in the card at Del Mar yesterday were 'so bad, it's good' SBIG.
Good field sizes, no decisive winners, best of the worst favorites taking money.

if you have the bankroll to mess around in those races you can sometimes get ahead in a long-term strategy. (i don't want these two awful horses, I don't want the impotent chalks, using mid-priced guys or possibly including a long shot with darkened form or strong connections, any bright spot...) boom x single 1/5 shot x boom = cost ~$30 pays p3$280?

Some of these in NY. You hope in these NY type of SBIG that the jockeys don't over manage the pace and positioning, slow seemingly rank and fille w/out random futile pace and long-drive first moves.

Certainly see some on NYRA dirt if patient.

[the little guy]

Originally Posted by titans1127

Usually turf racing at Aqueduct goes until the first Sunday in December but I assume they cut it short due to the courses taking on the Belmont meet plus all the rain in September.

Yeah, having to run over two months, as opposed to the previously normal four or five weeks, is a big part of it. Add all the rain the first six weeks, and the courses had essentially had enough.

The truth is, by the time you start getting frosts at night, the course basically goes to sleep, and loses its resiliency from what I understand. It always creates a certain amount of randomness. Much as I love turf racing, and the opportunities it can present, by this time of the year, it's pretty much good to shut it down.

[classhandicapper]

Look on the bright side. It will be easier to determine bias on dirt with larger samples.

[paulbenny]

Turf racing in Europe is good. They seem to have fewer breakdowns, their trainers are extremely good according to world thoroughbred rankings, and when you look at the jockeys, it is icing on the cake. It seems like turf racing is alive and well and NY and some other places are simply the best of the worst in the United States. It is an unfortunate truth that NY is a not doing particularly well. I remember being at the Travers in the 1980s and was really excited. Now it is so average. There are always state-bred races in New Mexico and New York to wager on in terms of competitive wagering I prefer New Mexico. They both survive on casinos sadly.

[elhelmete]

Originally Posted by paulbenny

Turf racing in Europe is good. They seem to have fewer breakdowns, their trainers are extremely good according to world thoroughbred rankings, and when you look at the jockeys, it is icing on the cake. It seems like turf racing is alive and well and NY and some other places are simply the best of the worst in the United States. It is an unfortunate truth that NY is a not doing particularly well. I remember being at the Travers in the 1980s and was really excited. Now it is so average. There are always state-bred races in New Mexico and New York to wager on in terms of competitive wagering I prefer New Mexico. They both survive on casinos sadly.

Wut? This reads like bad ChatGPT

[paulbenny]

I am unfamiliar with Chat GPT. I am a real person and have written points of view before. These are merely points of view. I do not know what the word you have written means but I know it sounds like "what". I tried in college to do well in English and certainly improved from my high school scores. I am a real person. I hope you are having a nice day and have a great Thanksgiving if you celebrate it.

[rastajenk]

Originally Posted by elhelmete

Wut? This reads like bad ChatGPT

Ya know, that was mentioned in another thread a few weeks ago, and ever since I've been reading that as phony. Everything is a complete sentence, every time.

[paulbenny]

I attended a liberal arts college that was run by Franciscian priests and followed that with a business degree in graduate school. I believe I write well, and work to improve my writing skills each day. During my first four years of college I did not excel at writing. I am not a robot. I am sorry you feel that way as a fellow human being. We are all people and should be nice to each other. Imagine if you told someone to their face that they were a robot, especially a young person who is starting out in life. They could really be affected by that. Be kind. I can take the ridicule as a robot but others may not be able to withstand the criticism.

[iamt]

Just what a robot would say.

[the little guy]

Hal joins a message board.

[paulbenny]

I am not a robot and played on my high school golf team and also was part of the intramural basketball league at college. How can a robot do these things. Moreover, when I worked for the military in the summer I played golf with the former punter of the Redskins Mike Bragg, and also attended the races in the cradle of good horseman geography of the mid-Atlantic. It is unfortunate that most people have attitudes that are not nice. I was brought up to have manners. If you are unhappy with my dedication to or strong attempt at good writing and proper punctuation just read the key words if you choose to even read my comments, that might be of interest to you. For example, I believe that Graham Motion and Barclay Tagg are very good horsemen and tower above Rudy Rodriquez and Linda Rice. I believe that HISA is a good idea for the long term benefit of the business vs something like ARCI which was very ineffective.