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02-20-2018, 12:51 PM
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I am a liberal...and I readily admit that society and the parents are part of the problem. But our "Teacher of the Year" was particularly tough on the parents...who both have to go out and work so they could adequately provide for their kids.
Is it the PARENTS' fault that a rifle was allowed into a school?
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Errr...the rifle isn't the bad guy here. IT isn't morally culpable.
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02-20-2018, 01:04 PM
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So, your solution to all these shootings if to forget about discipline since it is not 100% guaranteed to produce perfect results. Therefore, to get really, really good results, we should outlaw guns to all civilians so that there will be more than a tiny percentage of child thugs who will get their guns from even bigger criminals who specialize in their "black market" or underground sales? This is your solution?
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My friend...you have me confused with someone else. I carry a handgun on my person on a semi-daily basis...and I have no qualms about using it, if the situation demands it. But I know that I carry my weapon for self-protection against the riff-raff of society. I'm not naive enough to believe that, by arming myself, I am protecting myself against the military forces of my own government. 
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02-20-2018, 01:08 PM
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Errr...the rifle isn't the bad guy here. IT isn't morally culpable.
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Oh...so keeping rifles out of the schools isn't something that you would recommend?
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02-20-2018, 01:09 PM
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My friend...you have me confused with someone else. I carry a handgun on my person on a semi-daily basis...and I have no qualms about using it, if the situation demands it. But I know that I carry my weapon for self-protection against the riff-raff of society. I'm not naive enough to believe that, by arming myself, I am protecting myself against the military forces of my own government. |
Kool!  So...if you feel protected by packin', then wouldn't licensed conceal and carry people in schools feel protected and to be protecting the kids? Frankly, I wouldn't mind teachers packin', if they were so inclined.
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02-20-2018, 01:10 PM
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Oh...so keeping rifles out of the schools isn't something that you would recommend?
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What I would not recommend is making kids defenseless sitting ducks.
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02-20-2018, 01:14 PM
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I'm not naive enough to believe that, by arming myself, I am protecting myself against the military forces of my own government. |
Tell that to the Vietnamese, or the Afghans...they did pretty well against our military and the Soviet's...
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02-20-2018, 01:17 PM
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Kool! So...if you feel protected by packin', then wouldn't licensed conceal and carry people in schools feel protected and to be protecting the kids? Frankly, I wouldn't mind teachers packin', if they were so inclined. |
My gun-law arguments have always been with the folks who think that it's "normal procedure" to sell military-style assault rifles to anyone who request them.
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02-20-2018, 01:25 PM
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This is the college environment in which our kids are raised...and our "Teacher of the Year" is talking to us here about 'discipline and control" ? What good is discipline in middle school...if it's thrown away in COLLEGE? |
The child is, or should be, largely "raised" before getting to college. And if the child does have discipline before going to college, he or she can remain so despite the college policies. Or go to a college that maintains an appropriate level of supervision on its students.
The reality is that if a child is attending college on the parent's dime, that child is a dependent and should be subject to certain parental controls. It is still the parent's role to see that those controls are effective, either by raising a child that can be trusted, or by selecting a college that will provide appropriate supervision, or by cutting the cord.
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02-20-2018, 01:38 PM
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The child is, or should be, largely "raised" before getting to college. And if the child does have discipline before going to college, he or she can remain so despite the college policies. Or go to a college that maintains an appropriate level of supervision on its students.
The reality is that if a child is attending college on the parent's dime, that child is a dependent and should be subject to certain parental controls. It is still the parent's role to see that those controls are effective, either by raising a child that can be trusted, or by selecting a college that will provide appropriate supervision, or by cutting the cord.
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How about not blaming the parent for the behavior of the "child"...has this ever occurred to you? Do all the "great parents" raise "great kids"? Is our world THAT "simple"...in your experience? Because, to me...our world seems full of "good people", who sometimes do "bad things". And, in some cases...VERY bad things.
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02-20-2018, 01:55 PM
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My gun-law arguments have always been with the folks who think that it's "normal procedure" to sell military-style assault rifles to anyone who request them.
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Military-style assault rifles? 
This one holds 3 rounds. How many does your carry piece hold?
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02-20-2018, 02:04 PM
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Military-style assault rifles? |
When you buy your semi-automatic rifles...is it because you feel that you need protection against whatever U.S. Armed Forces may descend upon you?
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02-20-2018, 02:07 PM
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When you buy your semi-automatic rifles...is it because you feel that you need protection against whatever U.S. Armed Forces may descend upon you?
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The one pictured in the previous post I certainly wouldn't want to use.
I buy/build my guns for a specific purpose. No different than you. I do have a SHTF gun that I built and have no intention of EVER using for its intended purpose. Much like you with your hand gun which is likely a revolver with a double action in a very comfortable caliber for you because you made a purchase to fill a certain role.
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02-20-2018, 02:12 PM
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This one holds 3 rounds. How many does your carry piece hold?
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The difference between us is that I would only consider shooting at something that looks to do me harm.
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02-20-2018, 02:14 PM
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My gun-law arguments have always been with the folks who think that it's "normal procedure" to sell military-style assault rifles to anyone who request them.
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And if those weapons were outlawed, what makes you think people wouldn't be able to buy them on the black market?
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02-20-2018, 02:24 PM
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The difference between us is that I would only consider shooting at something that looks to do me harm.
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Then how are you any different than the guy who buys an AR for an emergency?
I never carry FWIW.
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