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Old 09-09-2021, 04:45 PM   #1
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Best handicapping shows out there past/present

I miss the “regular guy” handicapping show at River Downs. There was a guy named Jody on that show that crushed some decent priced winners. The host was named John. I wonder where these guys ended up? The show was great because they never bombarded the audience with information. They kept it simple and focused on equipment changes which IMO is a huge consistent angle. They also included old wives tales kind of angles which some seem to have been proven tried and true over the years. Examples would be : only horse in a sloppy race with a tail tie and horses with longer distance workouts but racing in a shorter distance. I always remember one of them talking about long shot winners. He made an excellent point that if a long shot in a race wins it usually means there was a trouble line or excuse for the top favorites. Handicapping bad trips or anomaly’s throughout a race is virtually impossible but can be incorporated in some cases.
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Old 09-09-2021, 05:47 PM   #2
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I miss the “regular guy” handicapping show at River Downs. There was a guy named Jody on that show that crushed some decent priced winners. The host was named John. I wonder where these guys ended up?
John Englehardt ("Racing's Regular Guy") does a weekly podcast called "Winning Ponies". (He also does a picks service.) Sometimes the podcast can feel like just a push for the picks service, but he does get some good interviews sometimes.

https://www.winningponies.com

is the website with a link to the podcast, but you can probably just find the podcast itself on your podcast player.
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Old 09-13-2021, 02:49 PM   #3
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You might get more response to (yet another) "favorite announcer?" thread. With the noted exception of that poor guy now retired from Tampa, they seem much more popular than analysts.

For one thing, horseplayers don't see announcers as competition in the handicapping arena. For another, many handicappers consider THEMSELVES the final authority on assessing horse races. And, of course, being presented on tv as an "expert" goes a loooong way towards engendering resentment and skepticism. Especially from such a cynical lot as horseplayers. And then there is the unfortunate truth that a good analyst must, from time to time, knock things, whereas an announcer can keep it pure Pollyanna. And this also widens the popularity gap in some (owners!!!!! trainers!!!! jocks!!!! It is RIDICULOUSLY easy for announcers to cultivate popularity with these groups.) circles.

Race callers, however, exhibiting a practiced skill that handicappers are not trained at, have things teed up for more favorable reviews-in proportion, of course, to their respective talents. No matter that many callers have worked for decades at developing their craft-lots of players still hold them in awe, adhering to the (completely inapplicable) "hey, I couldn't do THAT !" line of reasoning. Conversely, tons of handicappers watch televised analysis and firmly believe they could do it better.

The bottom line? Praise and respect for thoroughbred announcers costs handicappers zero. It can simply be plucked from the ether. But props to an analyst sometimes must be extracted from the player's own ego.

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Old 09-13-2021, 04:33 PM   #4
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If I found an on-screen handicapper to be entertaining and informative, it would often lead me to take a closer look at the product that I normally wouldn’t have bet on.
With that being said, I totally agree with the Regular Guy as being a very good show and I also enjoy the Mountaineer program (not trying to butter your bread, Mark, I’ve always enjoyed your show.) I’ve also enjoyed in the past the Philadelphia Park Live show which was a trailblazer as well as Fred Lipkin and John Bogar on Racing Alive (Penn National) whom had a very good rapport. For the ontrack audience at Santa Anita the radio station KWIN had a lot of good handicapping information and very good tidbits from Trevor Denman (like when a horse breaks through the starting gate and has to reload, 99% of the time he’s a loser. Never forgot that.)
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Back in the 1990s, Fred Lipkin and John Bogar at Penn were VERY informative and entertaining in what was pretty much a bare-bones presentation.

Lipkin would impart read-between-the-lines gems like "So-and-so owner is in the paddock today up from Delaware, and we don't often see him here wearing a sportcoat."

(As in: Pay attention. This guy thinks he could be getting his photo taken in the winner's circle tonight.)

Fred was correct often enough about such revelations to merit my attention when he said something like that.

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Back in the 1990s, Fred Lipkin and John Bogar at Penn were VERY informative and entertaining in what was pretty much a bare-bones presentation.

Lipkin would impart read-between-the-lines gems like "So-and-so owner is in the paddock today up from Delaware, and we don't often see him here wearing a sportcoat."

(As in: Pay attention. This guy thinks he could be getting his photo taken in the winner's circle tonight.)

Fred was correct often enough about such revelations to merit my attention when he said something like that.
I only really listen in at Penn when I have a bet coming up in a race-which is probably only a handful of times each week. Bogar does make some good selections and he kind of quietly does his thing.
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You might get more response to (yet another) "favorite announcer?" thread. With the noted exception of that poor guy now retired from Tampa, they seem much more popular than analysts.

For one thing, horseplayers don't see announcers as competition in the handicapping arena. For another, many handicappers consider THEMSELVES the final authority on assessing horse races. And, of course, being presented on tv as an "expert" goes a loooong way towards engendering resentment and skepticism. Especially from such a cynical lot as horseplayers. And then there is the unfortunate truth that a good analyst must, from time to time, knock things, whereas an announcer can keep it pure Pollyanna. And this also widens the popularity gap in some (owners!!!!! trainers!!!! jocks!!!! It is RIDICULOUSLY easy for announcers to cultivate popularity with these groups.) circles.

Race callers, however, exhibiting a practiced skill that handicappers are not trained at, have things teed up for more favorable reviews-in proportion, of course, to their respective talents. No matter that many callers have worked for decades at developing their craft-lots of players still hold them in awe, adhering to the (completely inapplicable) "hey, I couldn't do THAT !" line of reasoning. Conversely, tons of handicappers watch televised analysis and firmly believe they could do it better.

The bottom line? Praise and respect for thoroughbred announcers costs handicappers zero. It can simply be plucked from the ether. But props to an analyst sometimes must be extracted from the player's own ego.
I do a 60 minute handicapping show every racing day. Then switch to the announcers booth. Where does that place me?
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I do a 60 minute handicapping show every racing day. Then switch to the announcers booth. Where does that place me?
In the humble and modest column....
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I do a 60 minute handicapping show every racing day. Then switch to the announcers booth. Where does that place me?
I'm not sure if your unique "hybrid" status over-qualifies or disqualifies you in speaking to my post. Not sure at all.

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You sound a bit edgy tonight....Everything alright or did someone get under your skin?
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You sound a bit edgy tonight....Everything alright or did someone get under your skin?
Do you mean here or on the show?
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Do you mean here or on the show?
Either, both....
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Here, no. Vic and I are friends. And my post was intended to stimulate debate. On the show? Yes. I am not happy with some people at work. I had no idea it showed on air. But I'm edgy by nature. And then some, Randy. I'm just very experienced at harnessing it. Some say I am mad at the world, sir. Constantly. Inwardly.

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Here, no. Vic and I are friends. And my post was intended to stimulate debate. On the show? Yes. I am not happy with some people at work. I had no idea it showed on air. But I'm edgy by nature. And then some, Randy. I'm just very experienced at harnessing it. Some say I am mad at the world, sir. Constantly. Inwardly.
Indeed we are friends.
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Here, no. Vic and I are friends. And my post was intended to stimulate debate. On the show? Yes. I am not happy with some people at work. I had no idea it showed on air. But I'm edgy by nature. And then some, Randy. I'm just very experienced at harnessing it. Some say I am mad at the world, sir. Constantly. Inwardly.
It's near impossible to suffer fools gladly in this current world, so I just continue to speak boldly and let the chips fall where they may.

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