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04-28-2014, 02:42 PM
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Some Of Al Stanleys Trainer Power Play Angles Still Good Even Ater 30 Years
Here is Al Stanleys Power Play #4. The specifics
Get Around Town meets the requirements of the TPP #4
3-Get Around Town 28.00 9.10 6.60 20612
1-Derby Dylan 4.10 3.10 6569
6-Canbec Kingkazimir 3.00 3525
A Nashty Business meets the requirements of TPP#4
2-A Nashty Business 35.20 10.80 5.00 20083
1-Oaklea Victor 4.00 3.80 6341
6-Devries Hanover 4.60 2493
I’ll throw in some more as we go along.
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04-28-2014, 02:59 PM
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I do not think A Nashty Business fits the requirements because he was not 1-4 parked out, but I guess you could consider any 1st quarter park out. Thanks for sharing. I have all of Stanley's stuff and like you said, some of it still applies for specific tracks. Do you find that this one works best at Flmd and Wdb?
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04-28-2014, 05:46 PM
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The pink screenshot in the example is from 1963. The driver (Veral Bowman) is still active!
I actually am not familiar with Al Stanley, but the racing was so much different then... I think horses pretty much raced single file (unless you got parked) for most of the mile.
I remember reading Tom Ainslie's approach to handicapping, which he wrote in I think the late 60s or early 70s... he would assign points to each horse based on overall time, and then add or subtract points based on other handicapping factors, such as strong final quarters, post or driver changes, etc. He didn't seem to try to do any trip handicapping, which I think is essential in today's racing.
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04-28-2014, 06:07 PM
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Wish I still had my copy of Stanley's Law...was not much in price back in the 70's when I bought it, maybe 25 or 35 dollars ....paperback..over the years of use and my neglect makes me long for those days.
The clocking section is what got me the most bang for my buck.
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04-28-2014, 06:17 PM
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I have it. His followup book has what he calls An A-4 angle. It's a horse that's parked first over early in the race. It doesn't have to be 1-4. That is for his Bread and Butter method.Confusing sometimes.
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04-28-2014, 08:03 PM
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It is not .....................???
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Originally Posted by mrroyboy
I have it. His followup book has what he calls An A-4 angle. It's a horse that's parked if first over early in the race. It doesn't have to be 1-4. That is for his Bread and Butter method.Confusing sometimes.
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It is not confusing if one truly understand what it means..........if you don't understand harness racing but bet it like thoroughbred racing you would be in a fog forever.
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04-28-2014, 09:07 PM
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His A-10 ( big closers) works great at some tracks. I use a modified version of it at Woodbine.
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04-29-2014, 06:03 AM
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Here is Al's TPP #2.
2-O U Gus 27.60 13.70 7.00 25129
10-Unabating 8.90 5.40 8496
7-House Of Cash 11.90 4250
I might add this play came up on the same day when A Nashty Business won. Thats 2 for Al on the same day.
Last edited by Sea Biscuit; 04-29-2014 at 06:08 AM.
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04-29-2014, 07:29 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Just a Fan
The pink screenshot in the example is from 1963. The driver (Veral Bowman) is still active!
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I very much doubt that race could have been from 1963.
The newsletter itself was dated 1983.
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04-29-2014, 08:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by imofe
I do not think A Nashty Business fits the requirements because he was not 1-4 parked out, but I guess you could consider any 1st quarter park out. Thanks for sharing. I have all of Stanley's stuff and like you said, some of it still applies for specific tracks. Do you find that this one works best at Flmd and Wdb?
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I play only Woodbine and Mohawk.
The above examples are for Woodbine.
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04-29-2014, 01:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Biscuit
I very much doubt that race could have been from 1963.
The newsletter itself was dated 1983.
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You're right. I was trying to read the horse's boxscore for the current and previous year, and I thought it said 1962 and 1963. But the horse's sire is True Duane, who raced in the 60s. And a quick google search on the horse (Duer Die) brings up some newspaper clippings showing him racing at Vernon in 1982.
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04-29-2014, 11:48 PM
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Trainer Power Play #16 A horse which shows two distinct moves in a race
Shows up at Woodbine for his next race...
1-Ding 20.70 8.10 5.40 18125
5-One Last Bono 6.20 3.80 6696
6-Lyonsaura 4.00 3476
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04-29-2014, 11:51 PM
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Here is another classic recent example of a 2 move horse. Carmen Auciello is a very high % trainer for first time starters. As a matter of fact Auciello is leading the trainer standings at Woodbine currently. He had claimed Four Starz Hold Em for an owner and put him into the 5th race on April 28 an 8-10000 claiming handicap race. This is how his performance line looked on April 28 race
6 Four Starz Hold Em 6 1/1T 3/3T 6/4H 5/5H 2/T 1:52.4 27.3 A Macdonald 2.60 C Auciello
He took lead at the quarter pole his 1st move in a sizzling 25.4 seconds only to find himself shuffled back to 6th at the 3/4 mark. He then made his 2nd move in the stretch only to come 2nd by 3/4 length.
Watch this race
http://bcove.me/c6fpa7ep
and put this horse in your VS stable for next time out.
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04-30-2014, 12:57 AM
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Biscuit, thx for reviving some old tried and true Angles....It is good for all of us from time to time to revisit things that make sense in a handicapping way...
Thru the years I have learned to dwell on the "running lines" of each and every horse in each and every race....Often times, even now, I too can spot some patterns of Angles that still produce some nice paying winners, even in today's realm of racing...
From time to time I will go back thru my Al Stanley Newsletters and digest the viability of using those very same Angles that he suggested so many years ago....And often enough, "most" of them still stand the test of time, especially so at some tracks more than others....
Once a handicapper can find and prove a viable & consistent way of assessing Speed, Pace or any other mode of using Time as a handicapping constant, he can now move on to Proven Angles and put that speed knowledge to good use in a partnership when trying to assess a horse's true ability and a Trainer's intentions on Raceday.....
Thx Al S. for leaving a lasting and meaningful legacy of treasures....You were my favorite teacher and handicapping role model....
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04-30-2014, 01:57 AM
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Keep these coming, these are interesting. I see he refers to the "2 move" horse as a "trainer" power play. Is he saying that a 2 move effort is more relevant for a particular type of trainer, or does it apply to any horse that exhibits a race line like this?
I think you could find individual winners that fit just about any handicapping angle over the span of a week or two, but you would have to keep track of these angles on a particular circuit for a couple of months to get a sense of whether they can provide a positive ROI.
Get Around Town is the sort of horse that I never would have bet moving to the big track... perhaps I need to recalibrate!
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