10 MLB Records That Will Never Be Broken

[cj's dad]

Remember, this is just my opinion:

#1 - Cy Young - 511 wins
#2 - Cy Young - 316 losses
#3 - Cy Young - 20+ wins - 16 consecutive years
#4 - Jack Chesbro - 48 complete games - NYY - 1904
#5 - Ty Cobb - .300+ B.A. - 23 consecutive years
#6 - Cal Ripken - 2632 consecutive games started
#7 - Pete Rose - 4256 base hits
#8 - Nolan Ryan - 5714 strikeouts
#9 - Joe DiMaggio - 56 game hitting streak
#10 - Johnny Van Der Meer - 2 consecutive no-hitters

[The Judge]

If you 'had" to pick one from the list that was to be broken what one would it be? I would go #9 Joe's hitting streak. I think it would be possibel to tie #10 Johnny's 2 game consecutive no-hitter but not break it.

[DanG]

“Never” is the catch phrase here.

In our lifetimes; you’re probably right. With pitching however; somebody will come up with some new pitch (underhand no stress delivery or whatever) and pitching records will fall…eventually.

One record that I think may be very tough is Barry Bonds increasing his head size 19 hat sizes from his rookie season. That may be difficult without a full transplant.

[cj]

Originally Posted by The Judge

If you 'had" to pick one from the list that was to be broken what one would it be? I would go #9 Joe's hitting streak. I think it would be possibel to tie #10 Johnny's 2 game consecutive no-hitter but not break it.

Of these, I think 9 and 10 are the most likely to fall. #1 will never be approached, and neither will numbers 2, 3 or 4. I could see 5 if someone chooses to play that long.

Why not include Bonds' HR record? That is highly unlikely to be matched without artificial enhancement.

[rrbauer]

Dennis only listed non-asterisk records.

The problem today is that after five or six years there is no incentive to keep playing (working?) because these guys have the rest of their life funded (unless they're horseplayers, of course).

[OTM Al]

Hey Dennis. Interesting list, so here's my thoughts:

First, #s 1-4 are all deadball era records. Therefore, to me they shouldn't be considered. Record for wins should be considered as Walter Johnson with 363 for instance. Pretty tough to beat even that, but had Clemens not gone to the Astros, he might have gotten it.

Just to be technical, Ripkin's record was games played, not started. Of course if you look at Lou Gehrig's monument that has just been moved to the new stadium, it said much the same about him, so this is possible.

I think Rose's record could be broken. Derek Jeter actually has a shot if he would move from short and wants to play that long. I believe he's ahead of Rose's pace at the moment.

The last 2 are statistical anomalies. Thus, I think DiMaggio may be caught some day and Van Der Meer may be tied

Almost forgot about Cobb. This is also possible. Consider a player like Ichiro had he played his whole career in the US. He's got 8 straight here and while I know the Japanese stats don't count, got to figure he has quite a few more there

[Marshall Bennett]

Originally Posted by cj's dad

Remember, this is just my opinion:

#1 - Cy Young - 511 wins
#2 - Cy Young - 316 losses
#3 - Cy Young - 20+ wins - 16 consecutive years
#4 - Jack Chesbro - 48 complete games - NYY - 1904
#5 - Ty Cobb - .300+ B.A. - 23 consecutive years
#6 - Cal Ripken - 2632 consecutive games started
#7 - Pete Rose - 4256 base hits
#8 - Nolan Ryan - 5714 strikeouts
#9 - Joe DiMaggio - 56 game hitting streak
#10 - Johnny Van Der Meer - 2 consecutive no-hitters

1 - 4 , #8 will stand , modern day pitchers simply do not compile enough innings . #10 will eventually fall . As for hitting , #6 is safe , others are not although #5 seems safe . Depending on the future of baseball , all it would take is one superstar to erase a few of these . MB

[oddsmaven]

In 1923, Red Sox pitcher Howard Ehmke, pitched a no-hitter and in his next start gave up only one hit, a controversial infield single...so it almost happened another time & I agree with others who could see the Vander Meer record being matched by a hurler getting in a groove for two games.

If Ichiro Susuki had started in the US, he would've been a strong candidate to top Rose on career hits...it probably calls for a lead-off hitter to amass the # of at bats to do it...Rose had over 14,000 at bats and only one other player has gotten over 12,000 so he earned himself quite an advantage...if Jeter averaged 200 hits/year the next 8 seasons through age 42, he'd still fall a bit short, so it doesn't look like anyone on the horizen will break it, but some future prolific lead-off, high average hitter will likely catch him IMO.

Nolan Ryan's mark looks more impressive than Rose's to me as he just seemed like a freak...especially still doing it in later years where it often looked like he would match Vander Meer as well, as he threatened to pitch no-hitters as an old guy numerous times.

[OTM Al]

If I remember right, I think David Wells went into the 7th no hit, and maybe even perfect, the game following his perfect game, but I may not be remembering it right.

[toetoe]

Al,

How can you omit Hack Wilson's bat-ins in whatever year that was --- 190 ?

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[RaceBookJoe]

Originally Posted by toetoe

Al,

How can you omit Hack Wilson's bat-ins in whatever year that was --- 190 ?

and .

I believe that Hack's record could fall, but would be hard since pitchers would probably pitch around whover might be approaching the record. SOme of the other records wont fall because players make so much money now, that thye dont have to have 20 year careers like back in the old days. rbj

[oddsmaven]

Dave Stieb was another who threatened #10 on list.

In consecutive starts in 1988, Stieb pitched 8 2/3's no-hit ball, losing both no-hitters with one out to go ...to prove he was regularly snakebit in these matters, the following year he went 8/2/3's of "perfect game" ball only to see that one slip away with the last batter as well.

[Marshall Bennett]

Originally Posted by cj

Why not include Bonds' HR record? That is highly unlikely to be matched without artificial enhancement.

You're probably right . Look how long Maris's record stood @ 61 . Bob Gibson's 1.12 era for modern day pitchers is another one . They lowered the mound the following year .

[OTM Al]

Given the way stadiums are being built these days, I can imagine Hack's record getting beat. Get some perfect storm of a 1000 run team, there won't be the option to pitch around a guy and that's where it would happen.

[BetHorses!]

Originally Posted by cj

Of these, I think 9 and 10 are the most likely to fall.

In order for #10 to actually fall, someone would have to pitch 3 consecutive no no's. Now how will that ever happen?