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06-28-2018, 07:59 PM
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#6841
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Quintessential guru
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Originally Posted by boxcar
True blue atheist and lived like one. And I couldn't wait to get out of Catholic H.S.
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I have to agree with you. They did the same to me.
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06-28-2018, 08:21 PM
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#6842
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
I have to agree with you. They did the same to me.
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If I'm remembering right, I think I tied one on with several friends that night after my last day in school.
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06-28-2018, 08:22 PM
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#6843
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Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: St. Louis suburb
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
Some books:
Mind & Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False , Thomas Nagel, and
Atheist Delusions, David Bentley Hart,
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Hello Showme.
I'm not sure David Bentley Hart wants to be mentioned in a post whose author has Aquinas in his signature.
Re: Nagel, I deliberately chose an atheist to cite regarding my relatively recent post on consciousness...
http://www.paceadvantage.com/forum/s...postcount=6627
He is not always received well in his own community, much like Tim O'Neill...
https://historyforatheists.com/
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06-28-2018, 08:31 PM
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#6844
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Librocubicularist
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Ohio
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Originally Posted by boxcar
Was!
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Do you believe in Zeus? Odin? Shiva? Leprechauns? Pixies?
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06-28-2018, 08:34 PM
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#6845
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Quintessential guru
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Originally Posted by dnlgfnk
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Hello to you too. Please, enlighten me about why you are directing me to this link and what do you want me to see https://historyforatheists.com/
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Last edited by Show Me the Wire; 06-28-2018 at 08:39 PM.
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06-28-2018, 09:09 PM
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#6846
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Originally Posted by Show Me the Wire
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Just citing an individual who often receives analogous treatment to Nagel, who was ripped in the atheistic community for Mind and Cosmos.
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06-28-2018, 10:37 PM
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#6847
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Originally Posted by Actor
Do you believe in Zeus? Odin? Shiva? Leprechauns? Pixies?
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"Divine simplicity."
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06-29-2018, 11:20 AM
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#6848
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Posts: 30,398
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
I have read plenty of theistic and atheistic books...and I find fault with the arguments presented in ALL of them. And the agnostic view doesn't appeal to me either. Is there a "group" out there that I could call my own?
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Curious. Have you given up? It's one thing to doubt, another to stop searching.
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06-29-2018, 01:26 PM
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#6849
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Originally Posted by hcap
Curious. Have you given up? It's one thing to doubt, another to stop searching.
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No...there is no giving up. I am convinced that the "Truth" is out there...and I aim to get as close to it as I can. But being a voracious reader can be a disadvantage when it comes to religious matters; you read different things all at the same time...and you become distracted and confused when "focus" might be what is really needed. And the written word, being as inadequate as it is in describing such matters, often does a disservice to the purpose that it is trying to serve.
In any case, my search continues in ernest...and so does my spiritual practice. "Self-observation" is my meditative method of choice...and it has added markedly to my level of "self-knowledge". "Know thyself, and you will know the universe and the Gods", Socrates reportedly said. And, who knows...he might be right. 
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06-29-2018, 05:28 PM
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#6850
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
No...there is no giving up. I am convinced that the "Truth" is out there...and I aim to get as close to it as I can. But being a voracious reader can be a disadvantage when it comes to religious matters; you read different things all at the same time...and you become distracted and confused when "focus" might be what is really needed. And the written word, being as inadequate as it is in describing such matters, often does a disservice to the purpose that it is trying to serve.
In any case, my search continues in ernest...and so does my spiritual practice. "Self-observation" is my meditative method of choice...and it has added markedly to my level of "self-knowledge". "Know thyself, and you will know the universe and the Gods", Socrates reportedly said. And, who knows...he might be right. |
I was wondering. You tend to knock down much of what people assert here, both religiously and politically.
As I pointed out before, a master pupil relationship can be the next step. Words from books I think can only go so far. Actually words alone are also problematic.
Self observation is very useful. But emotional "context" within humanity as well as the intellect, I think is needed. Lately I am finding much lack of context on this board.
Real compassion is solid ground.
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06-29-2018, 05:57 PM
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#6851
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Originally Posted by hcap
Self observation is very useful.
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Agreed. In fact Observation of any kind - both inner and external- is useful.
Pavlov's Dictum , that he had above his laboratory door, was:
"Observe and Observe."
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06-29-2018, 06:00 PM
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#6852
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Originally Posted by hcap
I was wondering. You tend to knock down much of what people assert here, both religiously and politically.
As I pointed out before, a master pupil relationship can be the next step. Words from books I think can only go so far. Actually words alone are also problematic.
Self observation is very useful. But emotional "context" within humanity as well as the intellect, I think is needed. Lately I am finding much lack of context on this board.
Real compassion is solid ground.
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I don't view what I do here to be "knocking down"; I consider it "polite disagreeing". I am no expert in either religion or politics...so, I wouldn't presume to "knock down" the differing beliefs of someone else. But if I disagree, then I can do no less than voice my disagreement...without intending to offend, of course.
Yes...the master/pupil relationship would seem to be the next step for me on my spiritual journey...but true "masters" are in short supply in our day and age. But then again, the old adage goes that "the master appears when the student is ready". So my apparent "unreadiness" might be to blame. Who can tell?
In any case...the saga continues... 
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06-29-2018, 07:22 PM
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#6853
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 46,891
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
But then again, the old adage goes that "the master appears when the student is ready". So my apparent "unreadiness" might be to blame. Who can tell?
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Matt 7:7-8
7 "Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and you shall find; knock, and it shall be opened to you. 8 "For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it shall be opened.
NASB
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06-29-2018, 10:53 PM
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#6854
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Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 7,139
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Originally Posted by thaskalos
Yes...the master/pupil relationship would seem to be the next step for me on my spiritual journey...but true "masters" are in short supply in our day and age.
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Do you really need a teacher in physical form? Deities aside, don't you find life itself the biggest teacher of all?
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06-29-2018, 11:12 PM
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#6855
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Originally Posted by Light
Do you really need a teacher in physical form? Deities aside, don't you find life itself the biggest teacher of all?
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Some traditions instruct that a teacher in "physical form" is absolutely necessary. Do I consider life to be the "biggest teacher of all"? Well...I guess it depends on how "aware" we are in our day-to-day lives. Life teaches a variety of lessons...and we might miss the vital ones if we get distracted enough.
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