and it onto the Preakness...

[Burls]

Originally Posted by tophatmert

I think Hofburg will be formidable soon. Perhaps he doesn't have enough natural speed but he may turn out to be good.

When I saw Hofburg badly boxed in near the back, coming out of the final turn, I knew he was finished.
A closer like him stands to have a lot easier time in the Preakness.

[GMB@BP]

Originally Posted by storyline

Okay, go and read every post of mine since I've been here and tell me once where I've been wrong, it sounds conceited but I post them before they run and that's just the truth.

Justify is the best 3yo at this time of year all-time, official times don't mean much without a variant and that's why I responded the way I did, it's not personal

I didnt take it personal. Been around boards way to long.

The final time, even with variant, was a bit slowish, at least for Justify.

Thats a silly pace, one which should not have to be repeated.

[storyline]

Originally Posted by GMB@BP

I didnt take it personal. Been around boards way to long.

The final time, even with variant, was a bit slowish, at least for Justify.

Thats a silly pace, one which should not have to be repeated.

FWIW the figs came back as I (OTHERS) projected, thanks for being a gentlemen

[depalma113]

Originally Posted by storyline

Justify is the best 3yo at this time of year all-time, official times don't mean much without a variant and that's why I responded the way I did, it's not personal

Look I like Justify, but stop with the hyperbole.

He isn't even as good as Smarty Jones was at this time in his career.

Don't even make me go back to Spectacular Bid, Seattle Slew, Affirmed etc.

Heck he wasn't even the best horse Baffert had in his barn at this time in his career. Silverbulletday, Silver Charm and Point Given were all better.

[depalma113]

Originally Posted by OntheRail

Mine that Bird 2009

He wasn't really that muddy, that's why he won. He was so far back, he never got any of the heavy goop on him. The other horses came home carrying over 145lbs. He was barely over 126.

[pandy]

I rarely get excited about a horse that wins the Derby, or I haven't since Seattle Slew, but this time I don't have a problem with the people who think that Justify is going to win the Triple Crown. To do what he did in his fourth lifetime start is impressive.

[depalma113]

Originally Posted by pandy

I rarely get excited about a horse that wins the Derby, or I haven't since Seattle Slew, but this time I don't have a problem with the people who think that Justify is going to win the Triple Crown. To do what he did in his fourth lifetime start is impressive.

I have no problem with anyone getting excited either. Just a little historical perspective is in order.

Right now he is Big Brown 2.0

[PowerUpPaynter]

So far lining up...

Justify
Bravazo
Sporting Chance
Quip
Diamond King

[storyline]

Originally Posted by depalma113

Look I like Justify, but stop with the hyperbole.

He isn't even as good as Smarty Jones was at this time in his career.

Don't even make me go back to Spectacular Bid, Seattle Slew, Affirmed etc.

Heck he wasn't even the best horse Baffert had in his barn at this time in his career. Silverbulletday, Silver Charm and Point Given were all better.

You don't know what you're talking about - no horse has done what Justify has accomplished in their first four races - zero, zilch, nada

I commented before the race that Justify is the best horse that I've seen of any 3yo this time of year, that isn't an exaggeration it's fact.

Just for shits and giggles who did you play on top?

[SecretAgentMan]

103 Beyer figure for Justify in the derby

[BlueChip@DRF]

Originally Posted by PowerUpPaynter

I think we enter Belmont with another shot at a Triple Crown.

I hope so. It makes the Belmont waaaaaay more interesting.

[SecretAgentMan]

Baffert's 4 previous derby winners......Silver Charm, Real Quiet, War Emblem, & American Pharoah......all 4 have won the Preakness

[storyline]

Originally Posted by SecretAgentMan

103 Beyer figure for Justify in the derby

Once again Beyer guys give another low number, at least they're consistent with this horse.

Sometimes I wonder if they intentionally do this, such a disservice to the horse.

[CincyHorseplayer]

Originally Posted by storyline

Once again Beyer guys give another low number, at least they're consistent with this horse.

Sometimes I wonder if they intentionally do this, such a disservice to the horse.

Why do you care about this? When comparing a matchup to another horse next time is all I care about as a player. Why is this a disservice? Why are you so emotionally invested in a single horse? You must not be a player because only teenage girls act this way towards things. Cry some more for me pumpkin!

[jay68802]

Originally Posted by storyline

Once again Beyer guys give another low number, at least they're consistent with this horse.

Sometimes I wonder if they intentionally do this, such a disservice to the horse.

Beyers are based on final time only, take into account the pace and that number is solid, if not impressive.