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02-09-2018, 03:28 PM
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you are spinning
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I'm not.
Your chart is from 2014.
Here you go.
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02-10-2018, 05:40 PM
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The Republicans in Congress finally quit pretending that they care about the deficit, and Trump never did care. To make it all official, Rush Limbaugh gives fiscal conservatism the last rites.
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I probably should not admit this, because it changes for me day to day. But I have to tell you, this whole budget thing, I think I’m immune to it now. I realized I’ve been caught up in this budget business for as long as I’ve been hosting this program, and I realized a couple things.
…I know theoretically all this is bad, but in the real world all of the apocalyptic warnings I grew up hearing have yet to happen. The national debt has not choked us. The national debt is not destroyed us. We may be living in the middle of the destruction and don’t see it yet, but for some reason I didn’t get caught up in it.
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https://www.redstate.com/kimberly_ro...of-hypocrites/
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02-10-2018, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Clocker
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There is sooo much right about that piece I stopped and did a slow clap after reading it.
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02-10-2018, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
There is sooo much right about that piece I stopped and did a slow clap after reading it.
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As she points out, and as few "on the right" here or elsewhere will admit, the GOP just did what they have been railing and screaming against for 8 years.
And Trump went along with it without a whimper. But hey, he still has 7 years to fulfill his promise to eliminate the debt by the end of his second term.
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02-10-2018, 10:47 PM
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Trump and the GOP failed miserably.
Worst possible thing the two could have done.
Neither did a damn thing to avoid it.
Congratulation, Donald, you are now officially THE Swamp.
Go drain yourself, ass-hat.
No leadership, no balls, no integrity. You are truly a republican.
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02-11-2018, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Tom
No leadership, no balls, no integrity. You are truly a republican.
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No, Trump was and is a Democrat. Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.
Democrats believe that big government is the answer to the country's problems. Trump believes in big government. The difference between The Donald and The Hillary was their vision of big government.
Hillary's vision was much more pure socialist, with lots of free stuff for all. Trump's vision is also big government, but more focused on a managed economy, with him at the helm, with trade barriers to keep out foreign competition and tariffs to manipulate prices and the government propping up companies to promote American jobs. (Anyone remember Carrier of Indiana, Trump's first venture into international trade? How did that work out?) In short, Trump thinks he can run the country. Hillary thought she could run the country. They can't. No president can.
Sadly, McConnell and Ryan and a majority of the "Republicans" in Congress are turning into Democrat Lites. And true Republicans like Rand Paul are treated like extremists.
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02-11-2018, 09:44 AM
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Reagan had his three legged stool of conservatism.
The new GOP has their own
1. Lie
2. Steal
3. Cowardice
Represented in real time by Trump, Ryan, McConnell
Today's politics is a two-headed coin, one side dems, the other repubs. Both the same, both worthless.
Time for a tea party revival.
This time, bring BYOM.
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02-11-2018, 01:28 PM
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Financial analysts are forecasting higher interest rates as a result of the budget bill.
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The tax cuts bill and increase in government spending come as the economy is expanding, which some also criticize.
“Deficit-financed tax cuts and now government spending increases in a full-employment economy is poor economic policy,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist with Moody’s Analytics.
He predicted soaring interest rates.
“The Federal Reserve will have little choice but to raise short-term rates more aggressively, and the Fed tightening combined with the increased government borrowing will drive up long-term rates more quickly,” he added. “Lawmakers are doing the opposite of what economic textbooks suggest they should be doing.”
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Higher interest rates mean the government will be paying more to borrow to finance the deficit, which will mean even more debt.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/37...ads-on-deficit
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02-11-2018, 04:00 PM
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That tax plan was gonna grow the economy at such a rate any revenue loss was gonna be offset by economic growth!
Or did you not really buy that either?
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02-11-2018, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
That tax plan was gonna grow the economy at such a rate any revenue loss was gonna be offset by economic growth!
Or did you not really buy that either?
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Not sure where your "double the debt" bullshit comes from. Even the site you put forth says a max $1.7 Trillion over the next 10 years.
Much smaller than the $9 trillion Obamacrap added the previous 8 years. Yes. In just 8 years.
I'm not a fan of a lot of things, but complete bullshit is certainly one of those. Quit posting complete bullshit.
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02-11-2018, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lemon Drop Husker
Not sure where your "double the debt" bullshit comes from. Even the site you put forth says a max $1.7 Trillion over the next 10 years.
Much smaller than the $9 trillion Obamacrap added the previous 8 years. Yes. In just 8 years.
I'm not a fan of a lot of things, but complete bullshit is certainly one of those. Quit posting complete bullshit.
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Doubled the debt? Where did I say that?
Doubled the D-E-F-I-C-I-T.
Anything else you got wrong I need to clear up? Surprised that one tripped you up since it's the title of the thread... I started.
Pretty sure you aren't a fan of the debt or D-E-F-I-C-I-T either so I'm sure you're boy is letting you down too huh?
Since you are so pleasant though here you go.
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Based on the score from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), the budget deal would increase next year's deficits to roughly $1.2 trillion. Annual deficits would remain over $1 trillion indefinitely.
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PS) The New Link is an updated report from the old one about deficits.
PPS) Trump's now on pace to beat him if he gets 8 years btw.
PPPS) #winning
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02-11-2018, 07:29 PM
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Cool...guess I should have voted for Hillary.
Damn.
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02-11-2018, 07:48 PM
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Cool...guess I should have voted for Hillary.
Damn.
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There it is!
The Trump is above all criticism because he isn't Hillary card.
You did have a problem with this very issue when Obama was President though didn't you?
You hate democrats so much but at least they're intellectually honest enough to admit (or their supporters aren't too stupid to understand, flip a coin in this case) you need to actually take in money to keep spending it.
45 days ago when everyone was patting themselves on the back about how great Trump was with the tax plan I said I'd wait and see since he hadn't spent any money yet. Woulda though I had a third eye with that comment then.
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02-11-2018, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by elysiantraveller
Doubled the debt? Where did I say that?
Doubled the D-E-F-I-C-I-T.
Anything else you got wrong I need to clear up? Surprised that one tripped you up since it's the title of the thread... I started.
Pretty sure you aren't a fan of the debt or D-E-F-I-C-I-T either so I'm sure you're boy is letting you down too huh?
Since you are so pleasant though here you go.
PS) The New Link is an updated report from the old one about deficits.
PPS) Trump's now on pace to beat him if he gets 8 years btw.
PPPS) #winning
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The great and grand CBO also scored Obamacare very highly.
Why should ANYBODY ever listen to that crap scoring system ever again?
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02-11-2018, 08:15 PM
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There it is!
The Trump is above all criticism because he isn't Hillary card.
You did have a problem with this very issue when Obama was President though didn't you?
You hate democrats so much but at least they're intellectually honest enough to admit (or their supporters aren't too stupid to understand, flip a coin in this case) you need to actually take in money to keep spending it.
45 days ago when everyone was patting themselves on the back about how great Trump was with the tax plan I said I'd wait and see since he hadn't spent any money yet. Woulda though I had a third eye with that comment then.
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a) you have no idea how this is ultimately going to turn out. You can throw any stupid projection at me that you want, go ahead...means NOTHING at the moment.
b) I never said Trump was above all criticism. Stop your BS nonsense
c) I'm pretty sure if you do a search of my posts, you won't come across me having a problem with this very issue when Obama was president. Not 100% sure, but pretty sure...
All your other stuff that I didn't cover in a,b,c is just too nonsensical to even begin to decipher.
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