Jamie Ness

[Beachbabe]

Someone started a thread..."Juan Carlos Guerro in a class by himself".
Anymore, I don't know if JCG is in a class by himself. Jamie Ness is winning at a rate over 32% for the year. Early returns at Laurel have Ness with 4 wins in 6 starts. Today he ran a horse named Lavenham ,MTO, in a race taken off the grass. She won,running 5 1/2 in 1:03.4 She now has 4 wins in 5 starts since Ness claimed her for 7500. Before Ness picked her up, Lavenham's highest Bris figure was 79 with most figs in the low to mid 70's. In her first 4 races for Jamie before today, her Bris figs were 83, 94, 95, 87 (and today's fig on an off track has to be in the 90's).
He has to be neck-and-neck with JCG as "Supertrainer of the Year".

[LottaKash]

Originally Posted by Beachbabe

He has to be neck-and-neck with JCG as "Supertrainer of the Year".

Another one, that has seemingly discovered the "fountain of youth" for horses....

best,

[Knowclew]

Sharp observation BB. Ness has been doing it for a while, and it doesn't seem to matter what circuit he does it on.

[toussaud]

he is winning something stupid like 50% at river downs, i remember them saying it on HRTV a week or so ago

[Valuist]

Originally Posted by Knowclew

Sharp observation BB. Ness has been doing it for a while, and it doesn't seem to matter what circuit he does it on.

I find it interesting that he goes to a circuit and dominates, then leaves. The real question is, was he asked to leave?

[Robert Goren]

Ness gets a lot of horses from Midwest Thoroughbreds. He is one several trainers they use. All of the them get a high % of winners.

[rastajenk]

Originally Posted by toussaud

he is winning something stupid like 50% at river downs, i remember them saying it on HRTV a week or so ago

I think he had runners there maybe four times, must've won a couple. Surely he cheats.

[skate]

I'll put the Steve Assmussen and family in here, he's got over 1200 races and runs at least 20% over the years and the man is ready real for the race.

bomb-ready horses, always

[Striker]

Looking at what he has done with 1 of his 4 winners on Tampa's card today--Repenter. Midwest claimed this one on 8/28 at Arlington in a Clm 5000(c) with Roger B listed as the trainer. Before this race this horse had gone thru 4 different trainers(Tammy Domenosky, Chris Block, David Kassen, and Leigh Bentley) since April of 2011 with no wins since 10/09/2010 albeit at higher levels in most races with a 3rd place finish on 6/24 for Block being the best any of these trainers had until Tammy D got a 2nd in the race that Midwest claimed the horse in. Horse disappears until a work on 10/18 at Hawthorne and another on 10/25 I'm assuming still with Roger B but doesn't race at Hawthorne. It is my guess that Ness got the horse some point after 10/25 as the horse worked at Delaware on 11/19. Horse then ships to Laurel and wins at the same level Clm 5000c at 5.5f by 6 lengths. I can reasonably understand this. Races again at Lrl in a Str5000 at 7f and finishes 2nd of 7 runners. Then jumps up at Tampa on 12/28 and wins at Clm 16000 level. My suspicions arise after this one. Add another win at the Clm 16000 today by 5.5 lengths and you have 3 wins and one 2nd from a horse who hasn't won since 10/2010 and 4 different barns had their shot with the horse and couldn't muster anything better than a 2nd and a 3rd. But Midwest claimed him and since Ness has had the horse in his amazing care he now has 33% of the horses wins now. Very impressive.

[tbwinner]

Originally Posted by Striker

Looking at what he has done with 1 of his 4 winners on Tampa's card today--Repenter. Midwest claimed this one on 8/28 at Arlington in a Clm 5000(c) with Roger B listed as the trainer. Before this race this horse had gone thru 4 different trainers(Tammy Domenosky, Chris Block, David Kassen, and Leigh Bentley) since April of 2011 with no wins since 10/09/2010 albeit at higher levels in most races with a 3rd place finish on 6/24 for Block being the best any of these trainers had until Tammy D got a 2nd in the race that Midwest claimed the horse in. Horse disappears until a work on 10/18 at Hawthorne and another on 10/25 I'm assuming still with Roger B but doesn't race at Hawthorne. It is my guess that Ness got the horse some point after 10/25 as the horse worked at Delaware on 11/19. Horse then ships to Laurel and wins at the same level Clm 5000c at 5.5f by 6 lengths. I can reasonably understand this. Races again at Lrl in a Str5000 at 7f and finishes 2nd of 7 runners. Then jumps up at Tampa on 12/28 and wins at Clm 16000 level. My suspicions arise after this one. Add another win at the Clm 16000 today by 5.5 lengths and you have 3 wins and one 2nd from a horse who hasn't won since 10/2010 and 4 different barns had their shot with the horse and couldn't muster anything better than a 2nd and a 3rd. But Midwest claimed him and since Ness has had the horse in his amazing care he now has 33% of the horses wins now. Very impressive.

Yep I owned him with Tammy D earlier this summer. The horse didn't really impress me or anything in terms of his works or ability in the mornings. We tried a few different things with him to improve him in the mornings but thought he wasn't anything more than a $5,000 or $10,000 horse...apparently we were wrong or Ness has the "magic formula" for this horse as the majority of its earnings (if not 90%+) were made with Ness training.

[Striker]

Of course I saw that you guys had him and were hoping you would chime in and basically say exactly what you just said. The most amazing factor in this thing is that 4 other pretty decent trainers had the horse before Ness, well Midwest and Roger B, claimed him and those trainers couldn't get a win out of him. But now Ness has just rattled off 3 wins and a second. If the horse was so sound why didn't he race at Hawthorne? Hawthorne had enough Clm 5000c races for him.

[tbwinner]

Yep - that surprised me too. I put the horse in my stable mail and expected to see it entered either the last weekend of Arlington or a few times in October at Hawthorne. Started to get glad I lost him when I did, then I see the wins he's rattled off since and I am baffled. Could all the other trainers really not find the "key" that Ness has?

[johnhannibalsmith]

Originally Posted by Beachbabe

... Jamie Ness is winning at a rate over 32% for the year. ...He has to be neck-and-neck with JCG as "Supertrainer of the Year".

Awww heck, that's nothing...

Rank Trainer Name Starts 1st 2nd 3rd Earnings Win% Top3 Top3%
1 Miguel Angel Silva 181 52 31 44 $355,483 29% 127 70%
2 Robertino Diodoro 132 39 21 18 $311,198 30% 78 59%
3 Molly J. Pearson 107 30 19 14 $272,664 28% 63 59%
4 Mike Chambers 77 37 9 13 $234,524 48% 59 77%

[tbwinner]

The more amazing thing is how they can do it and keep such an operation at a high win % with so many horses. They do spot their horses well but it's unbelievable how EVERY ONE improves under a Ness/Midwest claim.

[menifee]

Originally Posted by Striker

Looking at what he has done with 1 of his 4 winners on Tampa's card today--Repenter. Midwest claimed this one on 8/28 at Arlington in a Clm 5000(c) with Roger B listed as the trainer. Before this race this horse had gone thru 4 different trainers(Tammy Domenosky, Chris Block, David Kassen, and Leigh Bentley) since April of 2011 with no wins since 10/09/2010 albeit at higher levels in most races with a 3rd place finish on 6/24 for Block being the best any of these trainers had until Tammy D got a 2nd in the race that Midwest claimed the horse in. Horse disappears until a work on 10/18 at Hawthorne and another on 10/25 I'm assuming still with Roger B but doesn't race at Hawthorne. It is my guess that Ness got the horse some point after 10/25 as the horse worked at Delaware on 11/19. Horse then ships to Laurel and wins at the same level Clm 5000c at 5.5f by 6 lengths. I can reasonably understand this. Races again at Lrl in a Str5000 at 7f and finishes 2nd of 7 runners. Then jumps up at Tampa on 12/28 and wins at Clm 16000 level. My suspicions arise after this one. Add another win at the Clm 16000 today by 5.5 lengths and you have 3 wins and one 2nd from a horse who hasn't won since 10/2010 and 4 different barns had their shot with the horse and couldn't muster anything better than a 2nd and a 3rd. But Midwest claimed him and since Ness has had the horse in his amazing care he now has 33% of the horses wins now. Very impressive.

Very nice analysis, but you are not telling the whole story here. Ness owned this horse before. In 2010, Ness owned this horse and the horse won some nice races at PID and Tampa Bay. He was actually running against tougher competition then. I'm skeptical of Ness, but the horse does have some talent and it is not like his figures improved so dramatically after Ness re-claimed. Frankly, the race was not that good of a field at all.