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01-28-2019, 11:29 PM
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Resurrectionist
Join Date: Jan 2017
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End to Cancer
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01-29-2019, 12:10 AM
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Just another Facist
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I read this earlier today.
Seems like I’ve read this article ten times over the last 20 years
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01-29-2019, 03:56 PM
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Far too many types/kinds of cancer to find cures for them all in any of our lifetimes.
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01-29-2019, 04:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chadk66
Far too many types/kinds of cancer to find cures for them all in any of our lifetimes.
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I agree with both you and JR, but think Israel is just the right environment for it to happen. Here in the States it is all about the buck.
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01-29-2019, 06:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fast4522
I agree with both you and JR, but think Israel is just the right environment for it to happen. Here in the States it is all about the buck.
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yea I don't think the cures they do find will come from this country.
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01-29-2019, 07:42 PM
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Resurrectionist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chadk66
yea I don't think the cures they do find will come from this country.
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Completely agree with this sadly. Too much bureaucratic BS in this country.
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01-29-2019, 07:56 PM
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Smarty Pants
Join Date: Sep 2001
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I hope it's true and remember, one of the many fantastic claims here is the treatment is keyed to each individual's problem.
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01-29-2019, 07:59 PM
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At some point in the future I wouldn't be surprised if one of the 'Big Pharma' drug companies purchased all rights to the new technology.
It wouldn't be the first time.
Link to Gilead Sciences Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilead_Sciences
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2010 to 2019
In 2010, the company acquired CGI Pharmaceuticals for $120 million, expanding Gilead's research expertise into kinase biology and chemistry. Later that year, the company acquired Arresto Biosciences, Inc. for $225 million, obtaining developmental-stage research for treating fibrotic diseases and cancer.[16]
In 2011, the company acquired Calistoga Pharmaceuticals for $375 million ($225 million plus milestone payments). The acquisition boosted Gilead's oncology and inflammation areas.[17] Later that year, Gilead made its most important acquisition — and most expensive to date — with the $10.4 billion purchase of Pharmasset, Inc. This transaction helped cement Gilead as the leader in treatment of the hepatitis C virus by giving it control of sofosbuvir (see below).
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Sovaldi and Harvoni
The drug sofosbuvir had been part of the 2011 acquisition of Pharmasset. In 2013, the FDA approved this drug, under the trade name Sovaldi, as a treatment for the hepatitis C virus. Forbes magazine ranked Gilead its number 4 drug company, citing a market capitalization of US$113 billion and stock appreciation of 100%, and describing their 2011 purchase of Pharmasset for $11 billion as “one of the best pharma acquisitions ever”.[28] Deutsche Bank estimated Sovaldi sales in the year's final quarter would be $53 million,[29] and Barron's noted the FDA approval and subsequent strong sales of the “potentially revolutionary” drug as a positive indicator for the stock.[30]
On July 11, 2014, the United States Senate Committee on Finance investigated Sovaldi's high price ($1,000 per pill; $84,000 for the full 12-week regimen). Senators questioned the extent to which the market was operating “efficiently and rationally”, and committee chairman Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) and ranking minority member Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) wrote to CEO John C. Martin asking Gilead to justify the price for this drug.[31] The committee hearings did not result in new law, but in 2014 and 2015, due to negotiated and mandated discounts, Sovaldi was sold well below the list price.[32] For poorer countries, Gilead licensed multiple companies to produce generic versions of Sovaldi; in India, a pill's price was as low as $4.29.[33]
Gilead later combined Sovaldi with other antivirals in single-pill combinations. First, Sovaldi was combined with ledipasvir and marketed as Harvoni. This treatment for hepatitis C cures the patient in 94% to 99% of cases (HCV genotype 1).[34] By 2017, Gilead was reporting drastic drops in Sovaldi revenue from year to year, not only because of pricing pressure but because the number of suitable patients decreased.[35] Later single-pill combinations were Epclusa (with velpatasvir) and Vosevi (with velpatasvir and voxilaprevir).
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This or something like it may turn out to be the real deal. (I really hope that's the case.)
Something tells me if and when a cure for cancer finally does come along: It won't be cheap, or even readily available - because some big drug company will have bought all rights to the technology from the original developers (who started out with altruistic intentions.)
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01-29-2019, 08:08 PM
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Smarty Pants
Join Date: Sep 2001
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That's one of the negative arguments.
The other was already stated, we don't know how to create life which is death in the end.
I still hope maybe these guys have come up with something similar to the discovery and creation of antibiotics.
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01-29-2019, 09:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chadk66
yea I don't think the cures they do find will come from this country.
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Most likely not. Cancer is Big Pharm's god.
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01-29-2019, 09:35 PM
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Smarty Pants
Join Date: Sep 2001
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Big two arguments against solving the problem-- but we all agree don't we, eventually it will be solved.
What if they've done it?
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01-29-2019, 09:39 PM
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"As many people as there are dying from cancer...there are even more people making a living from it." -- Linus Pauling
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01-29-2019, 09:45 PM
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Smarty Pants
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thaskalos
It's a problem waiting to be solved.
The argument you just made is: that's understandabe because some can make money.
I have a rather more optimistic view of it.
Last edited by Buckeye; 01-29-2019 at 09:46 PM.
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01-29-2019, 09:50 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeye
It's a problem waiting to be solved.
The argument you just made is: that's understandabe because some can make money.
I have a rather more optimistic view of it.
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In the ignorance of my relative youth, I too was optimistic when it came to cancer. Alas...I've gotten old, and have seen too much...
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01-29-2019, 09:52 PM
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Smarty Pants
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If there were no more cancer, I'd guess human life expectancy would go up by about five years.
Remember, there is still heart disease and other things.
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