Record Keeping Bettor Keep Track vs. The Betting Analyst Supreme

[Buddha]

Does anyone have/use either of those titles? I have heard some good things, but also wondered about The Betting Analyst Supreme. Can anyone shed some more like on pros/cons of both programs? Are there any other wager analysis programs out there? Any that have demos? The Betting Analyst Supreme is half the price of BKT, but wasnt sure if that meant it was half the program I have done a search, and haven't yielded much except about the older version called The Betting Analyst.

[socalsportsbook]

Budda

I have been using Bettor Keep Track for the past three years and I swear by the program. Worth every dollar. If you play seriously you need this type of record keeping.

[cato]

Buddha: I just bought the Betting Analyst becuase it appears to be a modern, window based program. While I really liked many things about, Bettor Keep Track its an old, klunky poorly designed program.

Sadly,as best I can tell so far, BA is not a good alternative.

BKT is great because you can identify many different reasons for yoru bet and then you can sort based on those reasons.

BA is goofy because it focuses on your top 5 picks. And it will do all sorts of stuff with those top 5 picks. But I'm really not interested in that. Plus my handicapping is not set up to rank 5 picks in order + depending on the type of the race and distance etc., I rank my 2 or 3 contenders on a diferent basis (sometimes emphasising early speed, someetimes emphasizing closing ability, etc. For example, in a 6F race with little early speed, I am interested in how often my lone early horses are also ranked #1 in speed and #1 in class do (for example). Yes, they win a lot but are they profitable?

BA does allow you to insert a Comment on the race and I assume that it will sort on that comment, and that comment alone, but I do not believe that it has the same flexibility of BKT as to sort on multiple and comments (reasons for the bet) on the same race.

I'm going to call Cynthia Publishing on Monday to see if my understanding is correct. I'll follow up then.

Cato

[Buddha]

cato, is that with the newest version? I don't remember all of the wording of the "ad", but it seemed like it was giong to be similar to BKT.

[David McKenzie]

Originally posted by Buddha
Does anyone have/use either of those titles?

Buddha,

Bettor Keep Track is the best program I've used for this sort of thing. Is it cumbersome? And how! Keypunching data should have gone out with the Dinah Shores, but so it goes. I asked Gordon Pine about six months ago if there was any chance of updating or automating the program. He told me there was "nothing in the works at the present time."

The old Sartin stuff and All-In-#s of Dick Mitchell are much easier to use, but the results pale in comparison to BKT.

Incidentally, the BKT output can be a real sobering experience.
"My God, am I *that* bad at EMD 6.5F maiden claimers?"

Some of the filtering may seem extraneous, but the time and effort are well worth it when you see something jump off the page and kick you in the groin. It hurts, but so does throwing your money down the drain.

And then the plus side. "Good heavens, my SAR Turf ROI for 8F or longer is over 100 percent for all but one class of race!" Maybe I should bet more money on these races? Duh.

These things make you sit up and take notice.

My only wish would be to integrate this with HDW. The keypunching *is* a chore. If it could be automated I'd give it a "10." As it stands now I give it a "DOS drudge, but the best out there at the moment."

[Lefty]

Seems to me if they would set up these prgms so you could enter info before race including picks and then automate it to take results from say bris or tsn they would be much easier and less cumbersome to use. I'd rather enter a few things before a race than sit dn after the races and enter race after race of cumbersome info.
Still waiting.

[cj]

Anyone reading a simple Access for Dummies could make their own for free. It would also accept betting records from any of the services that provide them.

The best part is, it will do exactly what you want it to do.

[cato]

Buddha: Yes its the newest version--I just got it last week

Cato

[Bob Harris]

From the screen shots, BA Supreme looks a little less cumbersome...I ordered it anyway...should get it Monday or Tuesday.

I'm really surprised that the authors of these programs don't have a "Preferences" function which would allow the user to turn on/off selections from a list of data entry prompts. If I don't care to separate my wagers by sex, why should I have to enter the data?

Price alone is not why these programs sell poorly...people want to be able to customize things to their own needs and interests.

[CapperLou]

Memo:

BKT is a time consuming program for the serious turf speculator! If you are interested in finding out where you are strong & where you are weak---you should consider this program.

It will SAVE you lots of money by getting you to stop playing the type of plays where you usually lose and where your win % or ROI is not good!! By eliminating those plays you can ACTUALLY become a WINNER at this game.

At this time---there is no other program that will help a serious player the way this one does.

If you are not a serious player--then it is most likely not for you. As mentioned before---it requires time to input data and only serious players who are winners or trying to win or improve their ROI will benefit from it.

I mentioned on another thread that it has helped me tremendously over the last 18 mths or so since I puchased it. Hopefully Gordon Pine will make it easier to use in the future, but until that happens---just use it the way it is now and you will benefit greatly in your pocketbook---and that's what it's all about--is it not?

All the best,

CapperLou

[azmike]

I have BKT and agree it is very good but also very cumbersome. It is the best on the market 'so far' so I endure the slow user interface set-up.

But, I am always interested in something better, so I look forward to any posts from those who have used it or will use the new product mentioned above.

[blind squirrel]

BKT...i got it after reading STEVE FIERRO'S book.
i will say it has changed my perspective on betting.

[azmike]

Originally posted by Bob Harris
From the screen shots, BA Supreme looks a little less cumbersome...I ordered it anyway...should get it Monday or Tuesday.

Just wondering if you have any update for us on your new acquisition. Thanks for the review in advance.

[Bob Harris]

Originally posted by azmike
Just wondering if you have any update for us on your new acquisition. Thanks for the review in advance.

Mike,

I've been entertaining guests all week so I haven't had a chance to sit down with it until this morning.

Overall, I'm happy with the program...it does everything I would want to keep track of. I like the fact that it allows me to ignore sex and age on the race data input screen.

Specific angles can be tracked thru the comment report by adding a comment to each wager (if playing several angles in the same race), putting a single angle under the "Other Wager" category or creating a phantom track for each angle if you need greater detail on a specific method. My methods haven't changed much over the years but on occasion I like to test a new idea.

It certainly doesn't do as much as BKT, but it will serve the needs of the vast majority of players. For the price (I paid 75.00 but I think the regular price is 99.00), I think it's a nice little program.

Bob

Originally posted by Lefty
Seems to me if they would set up these prgms so you could enter info before race including picks and then automate it to take results from say bris or tsn they would be much easier and less cumbersome to use. I'd rather enter a few things before a race than sit dn after the races and enter race after race of cumbersome info.
Still waiting.

Lefty,
It has been done. I enter my picks using my mouse to click on the track and date I am handicapping. Then click wagers button ($) on the left bottom side of the screen. A list of the races appears and I click the drop down menu with my selection and wager type. That is it. Next day I load the 25 cent exotic result file from TSN or BRIS in and it is all done for me.
To see how I am doing I can use the wagers report screen or use the SPAT (selection profile analysis tool) screen. It will show me how I am doing on the demigraphs of the races. (age, sex, surface, distance, race class, etc.) I see each demigraphic or any combinations I choose.
All of this is working fine in the new version 4.0 Beta of ThoroTech's EquiSim. It appears the user's manual is almost complete. Seems Handle can program much faster than he writes documentation. <g>.