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10-30-2011, 04:25 PM
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Sec. 11.05. UNLAWFUL WAGERING. Prohibits a person from wagering on the result of a greyhound race or horse race in this state except as permitted by this Act. Prohibits a person who is not an association under this Act from accepting from a Texas resident while the resident is in this state a wager on the result of a greyhound race or horse race conducted inside or outside this state.
If I read this section of HB 2271 correctly, it sounds like you can be a Texas resident and legally bet through an ADW as long as you are not physically in the state at the time the wager is placed. How on earth could this be enforced? Anyway, goods news for horseplayers who live on State Line Blvd. that separates Texarkana Tx. and Texarkana Ak. - Just walk across the street and call in your bets.
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10-30-2011, 07:16 PM
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Just another Facist
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Can anybody figure out what the penalty for playing would be for the average joe?
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10-30-2011, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RainMan
Sec. 11.05. UNLAWFUL WAGERING. Prohibits a person from wagering on the result of a greyhound race or horse race in this state except as permitted by this Act. Prohibits a person who is not an association under this Act from accepting from a Texas resident while the resident is in this state a wager on the result of a greyhound race or horse race conducted inside or outside this state.
If I read this section of HB 2271 correctly, it sounds like you can be a Texas resident and legally bet through an ADW as long as you are not physically in the state at the time the wager is placed. How on earth could this be enforced? Anyway, goods news for horseplayers who live on State Line Blvd. that separates Texarkana Tx. and Texarkana Ak. - Just walk across the street and call in your bets.
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That just sounds like you can't bet on a race in this state.
Last edited by garyscpa; 10-30-2011 at 07:26 PM.
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10-30-2011, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RainMan
Sec. 11.05. UNLAWFUL WAGERING. Prohibits a person from wagering on the result of a greyhound race or horse race in this state except as permitted by this Act. Prohibits a person who is not an association under this Act from accepting from a Texas resident while the resident is in this state a wager on the result of a greyhound race or horse race conducted inside or outside this state.
If I read this section of HB 2271 correctly, it sounds like you can be a Texas resident and legally bet through an ADW as long as you are not physically in the state at the time the wager is placed. How on earth could this be enforced? Anyway, goods news for horseplayers who live on State Line Blvd. that separates Texarkana Tx. and Texarkana Ak. - Just walk across the street and call in your bets.
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If you can make your computer's IP look like it's not in Texas, then you have no worries, but I have no idea how you would do that.
How in the world is Texas going to enforce the illegality of a company, or individual outside the state of Texas taking a wager from a Texas resident? Sounds like "smoke and mirrors" to me, a scare tactic that is unenforceable outside Texas.
Now, if a Texan does place such a wager, and the state finds out about it, they could certainly try to prosecute the resident, but not the out of state company or individual taking the wager.
As far as I know, a state cannot enforce another state's laws.
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10-31-2011, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by raybo
Well, as a Texas resident, and an ADW wagerer, this is probably the end of racing for me.
This is absolutely the stupidest thing that the state could have done. Now, Texas tracks will receive less revenue than before. Texans quit betting Texas tracks back when GW pushed the law through that banned residents from wagering on Texas tracks via the internet. Now they'e taken the next step, making it illegal to wager on any tracks via the internet. We're talking millions of dollars for all US tracks.
HANA, where are you?
Do they think anything positive will come from this?
Absolutely ridiculous!
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Oh no, Raybo! I hope it ain't so. I'm originally from Lancaster (just south of Dallas) -- in fact, spent part of my childhood there on Cedar Creek Lake. Had toyed with the idea of originally coming back to Texas because I kinda like Austin. If this is the case -- no online wagering on the ponies --that's a deal breaker for me.
I'm not sure how online wagering works in terms of licensing and agreements with states they operate in, but it seems Texas could just stick a few pennies tax on these wagers if they're so cheesed off about not getting anything. It's not like there are that many tracks to even GO to there, are there?
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10-31-2011, 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by antigeekess
Oh no, Raybo! I hope it ain't so. I'm originally from Lancaster (just south of Dallas) -- in fact, spent part of my childhood there on Cedar Creek Lake. Had toyed with the idea of originally coming back to Texas because I kinda like Austin. If this is the case -- no online wagering on the ponies --that's a deal breaker for me.
I'm not sure how online wagering works in terms of licensing and agreements with states they operate in, but it seems Texas could just stick a few pennies tax on these wagers if they're so cheesed off about not getting anything. It's not like there are that many tracks to even GO to there, are there?
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Things have been going downhill here for years. We're becoming more and more like D.C.. The government wants to know everything you do, where you do it, and what they can get from it. The more money they get the more they want.
Wish I was back in Austin and it was 1968 again. What a town that was!
I doubt seriously that I'll still be here in 2 years. I'm retired now and can live anywhere I want. Had my fill of it.
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10-31-2011, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by raybo
If you can make your computer's IP look like it's not in Texas, then you have no worries, but I have no idea how you would do that.
How in the world is Texas going to enforce the illegality of a company, or individual outside the state of Texas taking a wager from a Texas resident? Sounds like "smoke and mirrors" to me, a scare tactic that is unenforceable outside Texas.
Now, if a Texan does place such a wager, and the state finds out about it, they could certainly try to prosecute the resident, but not the out of state company or individual taking the wager.
As far as I know, a state cannot enforce another state's laws.
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Several states have outlawed betting on horse races over the internet and most ADWs respect those laws. There are some offshore ADWs who not. Twinspire, for instance, has a long list of states that it will not take bets from.
State laws concerning the internet are still a grey area. There are plenty cases winding their way through the courts right now. Most involve either taxes or porn. I am not sure any ADW is willing to spend the money on lawyers to go to court on this matter.
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Some day in the not too distant future, horse players will betting on computer generated races over the net. Race tracks will become casinos and shopping centers. And some crooner will be belting out "there used to be a race track here".
Last edited by Robert Goren; 10-31-2011 at 04:36 AM.
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10-31-2011, 09:05 AM
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Just another Facist
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be aware that altering your IP address to play may be a more harsh penalty than just playing..........fyi
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10-31-2011, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JustRalph
be aware that altering your IP address to play may be a more harsh penalty than just playing..........fyi
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Absolutely I could have put up a site which let's you choose where you want your IP address to show for around $80 yearly. But the penalty would be much more severe I don't want to be an accomplice.
Ralph is spot on don't ignore his advice.
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10-31-2011, 10:45 AM
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At this time, we are able to open new accounts from residents of Texas.
Please let us know if you have any other questions.
Good luck at the races!
E-mail response from XpressBet regarding on-line wagering from Texas.
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10-31-2011, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by RainMan
At this time, we are able to open new accounts from residents of Texas.
Please let us know if you have any other questions.
Good luck at the races!
E-mail response from XpressBet regarding on-line wagering from Texas.
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That appears to be the general response from most ADWs.
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10-31-2011, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Canarsie
Absolutely I could have put up a site which let's you choose where you want your IP address to show for around $80 yearly. But the penalty would be much more severe I don't want to be an accomplice.
Ralph is spot on don't ignore his advice.
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I think that many Texans will not want to take the chance of getting in legal troubles with the state, and that is what concerns me, if they stop wagering online, it will hurt all tracks nationwide.
The racing industry can't handle that kind of revenue loss.
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10-31-2011, 12:21 PM
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I attended a legal conference on horse racing a couple of years ago in Lexington, KY. One racing attorney asked a rhetorical question... "How many people in the u.S. have been arrested for betting online?"
The attorney general of my state told me that even though it is technically illegal to bet online in Connecticut I would not be arrested.
This is a power struggle between the tracks and ADWs. They are willing to screw the players in order to get their way. So the best thing to do might be to boycott Texas tracks. I've already boycotted California. No big deal to boycott Texas.
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10-31-2011, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by swetyejohn
I attended a legal conference on horse racing a couple of years ago in Lexington, KY. One racing attorney asked a rhetorical question... "How many people in the u.S. have been arrested for betting online?"
The attorney general of my state told me that even though it is technically illegal to bet online in Connecticut I would not be arrested.
This is a power struggle between the tracks and ADWs. They are willing to screw the players in order to get their way. So the best thing to do might be to boycott Texas tracks. I've already boycotted California. No big deal to boycott Texas.
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Yeah. Trying to be a nice guy hasn't been working, it's time to organize a huge boycott. If states, tracks, the industry, etc., won't listen to suggestions, then maybe they'll listen to money going away.
They can shut down Texas tracks, I can't bet them anyway unless I want to travel almost 100 miles to the track, and I ain't gonna do that, just so I can sit there and get inundated with all the worthless crap one has to put up with.
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10-31-2011, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by raybo
I think that many Texans will not want to take the chance of getting in legal troubles with the state, and that is what concerns me, if they stop wagering online, it will hurt all tracks nationwide.
The racing industry can't handle that kind of revenue loss.
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Seriously if 10% of the people who wager would write their state representatives not using a form letter but from scratch they might listen. They should express what you stated above. Petitions are worthless I refuse to sign them they're worth one signature.
I know CJ and I wrote Keeneland but never received an answer (me) but I still would do it again.
If an elected representative gets at least 100 letters he will investigate it as that translates into thousands of votes.
This guy was one of my heroes he really looked after his constituents.
D'Amato drew the nickname Senator Pothole for his delivery of "constituent services," helping citizens with their individual cases. While some New Yorkers meant the nickname as a pejorative, many others saw it as a positive affirmation of his attention to getting things done.
All you can hope for is someone like him in Texas.
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