Religion II

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

"`Flaming` of other participants is strictly forbidden." - PaceAdvantage Terms of Service
"`Flaming` of other participants is strictly forbidden." - PaceAdvantage Terms of Service
"`Flaming` of other participants is strictly forbidden." - PaceAdvantage Terms of Service

I have stated that I do not wish participate in a quarrel. That includes flaming.

I call 'em as I see 'em. The fact that you have violated the Law of Noncontradiction proves that my charges are accurate. Or are you going to presume to tell us that the Law of Noncontradiction proves nothing!?

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

I call 'em as I see 'em.

Would it be too much to suggest that you can "call 'em as you see 'em" without flaming? I could flame you right back but I'd rather not. Is it asking too much to ask that you follow the spirit of PaceAdvantage's Terms of Service?

Originally Posted by boxcar

The fact that you have violated the Law of Noncontradiction proves that my charges are accurate. Or are you going to presume to tell us that the Law of Noncontradiction proves nothing!?

As previously stated I'll discuss logic in March.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

What would you -- a God-hating atheist --know about transcendent truth? Is such truth a product of natural evolution? If so, how is it possible?

No I am a "literal god" hating, Jewish, Ouspensky admiring Zen Buddhist.

Thankyou

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by hcap

No I am a "literal god" hating, Jewish, Ouspensky admiring Zen Buddhist.

Thankyou

Zen Buddhists dont' necessary believe in the existence of any god. Thank you very much for saying nothing in your own defense.

Buddhism and the God-idea

Question:
Do Buddhists believe in a god?

Answer:
No, we do not. There are several reasons for this. The Buddha, like modern sociologists and psychologists, believed that religious ideas and especially the god idea have their origins in fear. The Buddha says:

https://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/qanda03.htm

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Zen Buddhists dont' necessary believe in the existence of any god. Thank you very much for saying nothing in your own defense.

Buddhism and the God-idea

Question:
Do Buddhists believe in a god?

Answer:
No, we do not. There are several reasons for this. The Buddha, like modern sociologists and psychologists, believed that religious ideas and especially the god idea have their origins in fear. The Buddha says:

https://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/qanda03.htm

Great link. I've bookmarked it.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Would it be too much to suggest that you can "call 'em as you see 'em" without flaming? I could flame you right back but I'd rather not. Is it asking too much to ask that you follow the spirit of PaceAdvantage's Terms of Service?
As previously stated I'll discuss logic in March.

Define "flaming". And would you prefer I call you a prevaricator instead?

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

Great link. I've bookmarked it.

Not surprised. Buddhists are generally just more "religious" atheists. They like to pretend there is a spiritual side to an otherwise strictly materialistic universe.

[Light]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Not surprised. Buddhists are generally just more "religious" atheists.

Buddhism is not a form of Atheism. Buddha believed in reincarnation and Karma which references powers above and beyond the physical and not a belief of Atheists.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Define "flaming".

PA used the term in the TOS. Ask him. I'll go with his definition.

Here's a cut and paste of the subject bullet point. Quotes are his. Emphasis is mine.

• "Flaming" of other participants is strictly forbidden. This includes posts against software vendors, authors, selection services, etc. Civil conduct is a primary requirement for participation on the PaceAdvantage.Com Discussion Board.

Originally Posted by boxcar

And would you prefer I call you a prevaricator instead?

I'd prefer "civil conduct" and adherence to the TOS. We both know that this is an emotional subject but I, for one, believe it can be discussed politely.

If you want to counter that I also have indulged in flaming and uncivil conduct then I will plead nolo contendere and promise to do better in the future. I'm holding out an olive branch.

[hcap]

Originally Posted by boxcar

Zen Buddhists dont' necessary believe in the existence of any god. Thank you very much for saying nothing in your own defense.

Buddhism and the God-idea

Question:
Do Buddhists believe in a god?

Answer:
No, we do not. There are several reasons for this. The Buddha, like modern sociologists and psychologists, believed that religious ideas and especially the god idea have their origins in fear. The Buddha says:

https://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/qanda03.htm

The definition of "God" is not specified by

1-Judaism
2-Ouspensky
3-Buddhism

.....as you claim to know god mind and his so-called "motivation."

Judaism.....
Guide for the Perplexed
by Moses Maimonides

Ignorant and superficial readers take them in a literal, not in a figurative sense. Even well informed persons are bewildered if they understand these passages in their literal signification, but they are entirely relieved of their perplexity when we explain the figure, or merely suggest that the terms are figurative. For this reason I have called this book Guide for the Perplexed.

Ouspensky from The Symbolism of the Tarot.

Learn to see it in thyself and thou wilt understand the infinite essence, hidden in all illusory forms. Understand that the world which thou knowest is only one of the aspects of the infinite world, and things and phenomena are merely hierolgyphics of deeper ideas."

Zen and the importance of not confusing the map for the territory.

"If you practice sitting as Buddha, you must kill Buddha." or

"If You Meet The Buddha On The Road, Kill Him"

And Myth is a cross cultural clue

Originally Posted by Joseph Campbell

God is a metaphor for that which transcends all levels of intellectual thought.

[boxcar]

[quote=hcap;2272377]The definition of "God" is not specified by

1-Judaism
2-Ouspensky
3-Buddhism

.....as you claim to know god mind and his so-called "motivation."

Judaism.....
Guide for the Perplexed
by Moses Maimonides



Ouspensky from The Symbolism of the Tarot.


Zen and the importance of not confusing the map for the territory.

"If you practice sitting as Buddha, you must kill Buddha." or

"If You Meet The Buddha On The Road, Kill Him"

And Myth is a cross cultural clue

Originally Posted by Joseph Campbell
God is a metaphor for that which transcends all levels of intellectual thought.

(emphasis mine)

So, in this post you didn't use your intellect to talk about God -- or even better yet -- to talk about something for which no one can possibly have any knowledge since this something (which Campbell calls "God") cannot even be conceived of.

You excel in posting gibberish.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

PA used the term in the TOS. Ask him. I'll go with his definition.

Here's a cut and paste of the subject bullet point. Quotes are his. Emphasis is mine.

• "Flaming" of other participants is strictly forbidden. This includes posts against software vendors, authors, selection services, etc. Civil conduct is a primary requirement for participation on the PaceAdvantage.Com Discussion Board.

I'd prefer "civil conduct" and adherence to the TOS. We both know that this is an emotional subject but I, for one, believe it can be discussed politely.

If you want to counter that I also have indulged in flaming and uncivil conduct then I will plead nolo contendere and promise to do better in the future. I'm holding out an olive branch.

I only counter that you have contradicted yourself; therefore, you have lied. If the truth is such a bitter pill for you, then learn honesty. And besides, I told you all this is a civil manner.

Grow up and grow a pair and quit being a snowlfake. People on this forum have at times have accused me of lying and I never have gone to hide behind the TOS.

[Actor]

Originally Posted by boxcar

People on this forum have at times have accused me of lying and I never have gone to hide behind the TOS.

It's not a question of hiding. PA has published his Terms of Service and by posting here you accept those terms, thereby entering into a contract with PA. By entering into this contract you effectively take an oath. Unless PA releases you your failure to honor that oath is false witness which your holy book says is a sin.

[boxcar]

Originally Posted by Actor

It's not a question of hiding. PA has published his Terms of Service and by posting here you accept those terms, thereby entering into a contract with PA. By entering into this contract you effectively take an oath. Unless PA releases you your failure to honor that oath is false witness which your holy book says is a sin.

Oath!? You should look up the definition before blatantly trying to redefine terms to suit your purposes. So, again...I was respectful in calling you out as a liar. Respectful and truthful. I didn't curse at ya. I didn't shout at ya. I didn't use any vulgar language, etc. Do you prefer I use the term "prevaricator" to liar?

[hcap]

[quote=boxcar;2272388]

Originally Posted by hcap

The definition of "God" is not specified by

1-Judaism
2-Ouspensky
3-Buddhism

.....as you claim to know god mind and his so-called "motivation."

Judaism.....
Guide for the Perplexed
by Moses Maimonides



Ouspensky from The Symbolism of the Tarot.


Zen and the importance of not confusing the map for the territory.

"If you practice sitting as Buddha, you must kill Buddha." or

"If You Meet The Buddha On The Road, Kill Him"

And Myth is a cross cultural clue

(emphasis mine)

So, in this post you didn't use your intellect to talk about God -- or even better yet -- to talk about something for which no one can possibly have any knowledge since this something (which Campbell calls "God") cannot even be conceived of.

You excel in posting gibberish.

I used metaphors. Or do you think Buddhists want to kill Buddha literally? I have repeatedly told you a literal god leads to idol worship.I quoted the Jewish sage and scholar Moses Maimonides' Guide for the Perplexed who warned us about taking things literally. Is that gibberish as well?

BTW, Christ dying and ascending, is a metaphor for going past the map and going into the territory. So is Exodus and Noah. Maybe 5-10% of western scripture is allegorical to the main theme of metanoia and/or transformation. The rest is woefully hollow.We may not be able to measure "god" but we can allude to God.

Poetry, stories and emotional pictures can point to the divine
As can parables All religions except maybe the unfortunate Cargo Culters use metaphor, and all religions are a mix of distortion and truth. Western scripture developed mostly into distortion because literal minded individuals devalued transcendent truth and knee-jerked it on to their children.

Good to know you have no kids

Your arguments are simply word games only. No real understanding. All of what Actor posts of the absurdities of the bible, indeed make no sense if one believes it literally or takes it as absolute truth.