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Old 10-03-2022, 12:11 PM   #1486
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Anyway, this is not really a political thread, it is a thread about an aggressor state invading a sovereign state. We have seen this before in 1939 and we should all be concerned about history repeating itself, regardless of politics.
When people try to over-complicate something simple it's usually a clue.
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Old 10-03-2022, 02:14 PM   #1487
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You ignore it.

They already know we'll respond. They just don't know how. That's how deterrence works.

Anyway it's been Monday since Tuesday for me... a lot of updates I'll get to later. Biggest battlefront news is Ukraine is about to roll up Lyman and any trapped RU units there.

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...03204331900929
Do you get most of your updates on the war from TWTR? Not doubting the veracity, but my twtr TL has mostly gone silent on Ukr-Ra war.
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Old 10-03-2022, 02:33 PM   #1488
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When people try to over-complicate something simple it's usually a clue.
This has nothing to do with 1939.

Germany in 1939 was 1billion times the threat Russia is right now, obviously.

The nukes are the only complicator in this equation.

So really, we should just provoke the hell out of Russia to try and get them to use those nukes...by any means necessary.

That's the smart move...compared to trying to actually end the war.
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Old 10-03-2022, 03:32 PM   #1489
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Do you get most of your updates on the war from TWTR? Not doubting the veracity, but my twtr TL has mostly gone silent on Ukr-Ra war.
I get a lot from Twitter.

Most embeds and Russian Milbloggers post there. I also frequent a couple of forums where there are active UA and RU combatants posting.

Couple of Americans as well who were deployed to Ukraine the past few years as part of a UA forces overhaul provide pretty in-depth opinions on how they operate.
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Old 10-03-2022, 03:45 PM   #1490
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This has nothing to do with 1939.

Germany in 1939 was 1billion times the threat Russia is right now, obviously.

The nukes are the only complicator in this equation.

So really, we should just provoke the hell out of Russia to try and get them to use those nukes...by any means necessary.

That's the smart move...compared to trying to actually end the war.
I was primarily referring to this;

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Anyway, this is not really a political thread, it is a thread about an aggressor state invading a sovereign state.
That said the justifications for this "special operation" are actually quite similar to those used by the Reich.

Common tongue germanophone/russophone.
Historic lands.
Foreign invaders; communists and jews vs decadent west
Lebensbraum vs east/west buffer.

They're all quite similar...

It's a war of conquest.
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Old 10-03-2022, 04:57 PM   #1491
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If you’re too hawkish for Henry Kissinger, you’re too motherfucking hawkish.
Not quite a fan of Kissinger, but I know the Neocons running things from the left are derranged. They were the republican wing that pushed for war in Iraq, Afghanistan, and practically every other country we didn't have a puppet government running. We and the world paid a HUGE price because these sickos have so much influence over US foreign policy. They have since aligned with the democrats because they had no influence with Trump. And of course they have attacked him relentlessly for not being war mongers like them ever since then.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/10/...raine-in-nato/

Is anyone keeping track of how many Russians and Ukrainians have died, how many billions have been spent, how many more billions will be spent rebuilding once this needless war is over?

This is all because the US does not respect someone else's national security concerns and has continued to try to force a regime change instead of just waiting for the dickhead to die of several ailments and old age.
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Old 10-03-2022, 08:02 PM   #1492
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Wow...

There's more to unpack here than my wife on a overnight... I'll keep it short.

It's perplexing to watch you wail about neocons and the United States when this is literally the exact same thing as Iraq. Well not quite since we didn't annex any of Iraq.

Have the Russians found those nuclear weapons or WMDs yet...? Er... I mean biolabs.

This shtick all falls apart when when you criticize Iraq but then cite the exact same talking points when justifying Russia's "security concerns". Hell at the time of writing this Iraq has a functioning democracy and the US is gone. Meanwhile Russia is annexing territory.

So you bitch about neocon adventures but you are here, bitching about us stopping some neocon adventure against another nation?

Russia is entitled to its "sovereignty" and "national security" at the expense of Ukraine's. You're fine with this.

You're just a shill, my man. You might as well be like "Look, the US had valid security concerns when it came to Iraq" because it's really just the same thing with a different coat of paint.

While we're on the subject of "security concerns" though, Afghanistan and Iraq, those two invasions you opposed were neighbors to Iran. I wonder if they have legitimate security concerns...

Curious what your posts on here would reveal about that subject. (I'm really not. I already know.)
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Glenn Greenwald hitting you up with a dose of Russian propaganda...

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Old 10-04-2022, 01:43 AM   #1494
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Russians Invade Georgia? Under BUSH

Russians Annex Crimea? Under OBAMA

Russians do jack shit? Under TRUMP

Russians Invade Ukraine? Under BIDEN

North Korea (today) sends a ballistic missile over Tokyo? Under BIDEN

Yeah man...Trump sucked.
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Yeah man...Trump sucked.
Yep.

So did Obama and Bush.
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Old 10-04-2022, 02:13 AM   #1496
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Glenn Greenwald hitting you up with a dose of Russian propaganda...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba4HxCPa-g0
Chyron reads;

"Western leaders continue to provoke..."

That's one helluva interpretation of what's happening.
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I love it when Bloomberg reporters get all upset when someone besides Tucker dares to go against the orthodoxy:

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Kherson Front now collapsing...

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These are mostly contract soldiers in Kherson. Professional Russian soldiers.

Looks like they may have just shortened their lines to avoid encirclement. Time will tell.

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