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11-07-2011, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Valuist
While the Ravens defense is solid, its nowhere near as tough as that Raven defense that Dilfer played with.
Maybe the drive will be a confidence builder for him. Thought he looked real good as a rookie but his development has stalled.
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I never said it was. It doesn't change what I stated though.
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11-07-2011, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
I never said it was. It doesn't change what I stated though.
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I agree with the general premise. I have always felt the QB gets too much credit when a team wins, and too much blame when they lose.
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11-07-2011, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Valuist
While the Ravens defense is solid, its nowhere near as tough as that Raven defense that Dilfer played with.
Maybe the drive will be a confidence builder for him. Thought he looked real good as a rookie but his development has stalled.
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It's not really fair to compare them because the Patriots rule really didn't get enforced until 2004. Receivers could get smacked around more when the Ravens won the Super Bowl. It was far tougher for them to get open compared to now.
They are probably as good as the rules allow on any given Sunday. I love watching them when they are on their game.
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11-08-2011, 11:17 AM
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I waited a few days after Sunday nights game and Flacco's performance in the final 2+ minutes. Following are some of the posts that i want to respond to.
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Originally Posted by sandpit
I said it in another thread and will keep saying it until he makes me eat crow: the Ravens will never win a championship with him at the helm.
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He is batter than Trent Dilfer and others who have QB'd SB winners in the past.
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Originally Posted by Robert Goren
If Flacco was playing on a team with an average or poor defense, that team would be looking to draft a QB in the next draft.
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Brilliant. So, if the D stinks, the GM drafts a QB. Again, brilliant logic.
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Originally Posted by Casino
Canarsie,his 52% completion is this season,he never reads thru his progressions,happy feet...i will pass.Have a friend of mine who plays for the Bucs, last year the bucs play ravens and he said Flacco has trouble reading defenses.
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You would have happy feet playing behind that O line at times.
Your "friend" is just pissed he's playing for TB.
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Originally Posted by Casino
Watching the Flacco debacle again.
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You referring to the game that he helped pull out in the 2nd half when the O line decided to start playing ?
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Originally Posted by Casino
Watched Ray Rice and the comeback,and the reason they were down is because flacco is awful.
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See above.^^
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Originally Posted by Casino
Is it because the Ravens went into a spread offense?He has accuracy issues,he has trouble reading defenses,thats the scouting report.Hes ok,the big question is can you win a super bowl with Flacco,imo no,but will see come sunday night against Steelers.The Steelers arent the Cards.
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Two dropped passes in the "drive"- accuracy issues ?
And apparently, the Steelers aren't the Ravens.
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Originally Posted by Valuist
My fantasy team has both Flacco and Kolb. BOTH of them are absolute crap..
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Fantasy team ? - R U serious ?
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Originally Posted by Casino
Flacco got to give him credit for the 92 yard drive,buts lets not forget his fumble put them in the situtation.Still you aint winning a super bowl with Flacco.
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Fumble- isn't the ball the focus of each and every play? Players focus on the ball each and every play. The QB when unprotected, as JF was on that play, is very likely to cough it up. Happens all the time.
SB with JF - get some new material
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Originally Posted by Valuist
I agree with the general premise. I have always felt the QB gets too much credit when a team wins, and too much blame when they lose.
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Correct !
Casino:
Time to eat:
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11-08-2011, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Canarsie
It's not really fair to compare them because the Patriots rule really didn't get enforced until 2004. Receivers could get smacked around more when the Ravens won the Super Bowl. It was far tougher for them to get open compared to now.
They are probably as good as the rules allow on any given Sunday. I love watching them when they are on their game.
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Its not really fair to compare them because this Ravens defense is good, and the 2000 edition was great.
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11-08-2011, 11:46 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj's dad
I waited a few days after Sunday nights game and Flacco's performance in the final 2+ minutes. Following are some of the posts that i want to respond to.
He is batter than Trent Dilfer and others who have QB'd SB winners in the past.
Brilliant. So, if the D stinks, the GM drafts a QB. Again, brilliant logic.
You would have happy feet playing behind that O line at times.
Your "friend" is just pissed he's playing for TB.
You referring to the game that he helped pull out in the 2nd half when the O line decided to start playing ?
See above.^^
Two dropped passes in the "drive"- accuracy issues ?
And apparently, the Steelers aren't the Ravens.
Fantasy team ? - R U serious ?
Fumble- isn't the ball the focus of each and every play? Players focus on the ball each and every play. The QB when unprotected, as JF was on that play, is very likely to cough it up. Happens all the time.
SB with JF - get some new material
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Time to eat:
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Have you seen Flacco stats this year in a league that is now considered Cfl because of the rules.Hes completing 54% of his passes,yes he does have accuracy issues isnt the 54% completion ration a hint,Christ.Go ahead buy his stock,but make sure to post when hes 12 for 26 with 2 ints,that game is just around the corner.Dont forget his fumble that got the steelers back in the game or did we forget?
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11-08-2011, 11:52 AM
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For the last time 'cause this is really getting old. When he has time in the pocket he is as good as anybody. NO QB looks good or has good #'s when they are running for their lives half the time.
BTW- & looks pretty good from where I'm sitting.
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11-08-2011, 11:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj's dad
I waited a few days after Sunday nights game and Flacco's performance in the final 2+ minutes. Following are some of the posts that i want to respond to.
He is batter than Trent Dilfer and others who have QB'd SB winners in the past.
Brilliant. So, if the D stinks, the GM drafts a QB. Again, brilliant logic.
You would have happy feet playing behind that O line at times.
Your "friend" is just pissed he's playing for TB.
You referring to the game that he helped pull out in the 2nd half when the O line decided to start playing ?
See above.^^
Two dropped passes in the "drive"- accuracy issues ?
And apparently, the Steelers aren't the Ravens.
Fantasy team ? - R U serious ?
Fumble- isn't the ball the focus of each and every play? Players focus on the ball each and every play. The QB when unprotected, as JF was on that play, is very likely to cough it up. Happens all the time.
SB with JF - get some new material
Correct !
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Time to eat:
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32 teams hes ranked 25th ahead of
freemen,bradford,mccoy,galbert,orton,grossman,beck ,jackson-half these qbs are benched and have been hurt,go ahead buy his stock
Isnt every nfl qb good when hes comfortable in the pocket with no pressure.
Last edited by Casino; 11-08-2011 at 11:55 AM.
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11-08-2011, 12:05 PM
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So, who do you follow ? or are you just
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11-08-2011, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by cj's dad
Brilliant. So, if the D stinks, the GM drafts a QB. Again, brilliant logic.
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Thats what losing teams do unless they think they have an elite QB. I don't know of anybody who thinks he is an elite QB.
The Ravens will go as far their defense will take them. If they get to the super bowl (and I think that they are the favorites in the AFC right now), it will be in spite of Flacco, not because of him. Just as it was with Dilfer, although I must admit that Flacco is miles ahead of Dilfer as a QB.
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11-08-2011, 12:21 PM
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Do you really think he cares about where he's ranked as long as there is a mutual respect as the team QB? A united team is one step closer to their goals ones that bicker usually don't make the playoffs all the time.
The QB gets the accolades and critics more often then not. Last time I looked there is no "I" in team they win and lose as a unit. Flacco and Sanchez are probably close to compare at QB both aren't going to be all time greats but who cares if you raise the trophy. Unless I'm missing something isn't that the objective?
A little off topic but how many of you tried to throw a football parallel from the middle of a regulation field to the sideline. I would like to hear the responses it's an incredibly hard thing to do that's why even the good ones make great money.
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11-08-2011, 01:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cj's dad
I waited a few days after Sunday nights game and Flacco's performance in the final 2+ minutes. Following are some of the posts that i want to respond to.
He is batter than Trent Dilfer and others who have QB'd SB winners in the past.
Brilliant. So, if the D stinks, the GM drafts a QB. Again, brilliant logic.
You would have happy feet playing behind that O line at times.
Your "friend" is just pissed he's playing for TB.
You referring to the game that he helped pull out in the 2nd half when the O line decided to start playing ?
See above.^^
Two dropped passes in the "drive"- accuracy issues ?
And apparently, the Steelers aren't the Ravens.
Fantasy team ? - R U serious ?
Fumble- isn't the ball the focus of each and every play? Players focus on the ball each and every play. The QB when unprotected, as JF was on that play, is very likely to cough it up. Happens all the time.
SB with JF - get some new material
Correct !
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Time to eat:
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When referring to JF not beind protected by the O Line can it be that he holds on to the ball a little bit too long because he still cant read thru his progressions.The fumble came on him holding the ball too long,period.
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11-08-2011, 02:52 PM
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PARITY:
1. : the quality or state of being equal or equivalent
Parity in the NFL keeps many team's hopes alive.
"Parity" has become synonymous with the NFL.
However, since the league has evolved into more and more of a passing game, teams like the 2011 Ravens are outsiders to win the Super Bowl.
Flacco is a good QB, but in today's NFL the few teams whose quarterbacks can most exploit the rules have a huge advantage.
The top-heavy Packers look like the greatest TEAM of all time... , and the Ravens and Steelers look like(and are) outsiders.
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11-08-2011, 03:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert Fischer
PARITY:
1. : the quality or state of being equal or equivalent
Parity in the NFL keeps many team's hopes alive.
"Parity" has become synonymous with the NFL.
However, since the league has evolved into more and more of a passing game, teams like the 2011 Ravens are outsiders to win the Super Bowl.
Flacco is a good QB, but in today's NFL the few teams whose quarterbacks can most exploit the rules have a huge advantage.
The top-heavy Packers look like the greatest TEAM of all time... , and the Ravens and Steelers look like(and are) outsiders.
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Please send this to the 2005 Steelers and 2006 Giants I'm sure they will find it very informative. Roethlisberger (still isn't) and Manning ( now on the cusp maybe) surely weren't elite quarterbacks when they won. They did have very good defenses though.
The Packers while quite good last year without the aid a last second punt return wouldn't have qualified it was out of their hands.
Didn't I hear the same thing about the Colts and New England who both went on to lose their last Super Bowl appearance.
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11-08-2011, 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Canarsie
Please send this to the 2005 Steelers and 2006 Giants I'm sure they will find it very informative. Roethlisberger (still isn't) and Manning ( now on the cusp maybe) surely weren't elite quarterbacks when they won. They did have very good defenses though.
The Packers while quite good last year without the aid a last second punt return wouldn't have qualified it was out of their hands.
Didn't I hear the same thing about the Colts and New England who both went on to lose their last Super Bowl appearance.
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good points...
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