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10-11-2014, 10:04 AM
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Let's say a Blackjack Dealer is dealing in a way that inadvertently lets a player see his down card. Is it the player's obligation to inform the dealer of this?
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10-11-2014, 10:52 AM
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#152
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Originally Posted by badcompany
Let's say a Blackjack Dealer is dealing in a way that inadvertently lets a player see his down card. Is it the player's obligation to inform the dealer of this?
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That would depend on the player's conscience.
I'm guessing that over 90% would stay quiet.
"Hole carding" is a form of advantage play, which is treated like counting.
It's not illegal, but will get you backed-off from play.
There are players who look to prey on inexperienced dealers,
and will always sit on 3rd base, to the dealer's right.
Using a device, such as a mirror, to attempt to see that card is cheating,
and will get you thrown in jail.
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10-11-2014, 11:06 AM
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#153
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
That would depend on the player's conscience.
I'm guessing that over 90% would stay quiet.
"Hole carding" is a form of advantage play, which is treated like counting.
It's not illegal, but will get you backed-off from play.
There are players who look to prey on inexperienced dealers,
and will always sit on 3rd base, to the dealer's right.
Using a device, such as a mirror, to attempt to see that card is cheating,
and will get you thrown in jail.
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The word "Cheating" has me confused. People go to jail for breaking actual real life laws and, not even people who break real life laws go to jail, its hard to go to jail, you're not going for looking at a card that someone else is showing you
. Plenty of horse trainers "cheat" baseball players "cheat" and so on and so for, none of them are in jail. You don't go to jail for having questionable morals.
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10-11-2014, 11:07 AM
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#154
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
The word "Cheating" has me confused. People go to jail for breaking actual real life laws and, not even people who break real life laws go to jail, its hard to go to jail, you're not going for looking at a card that someone else is showing you
. Plenty of horse trainers "cheat" baseball players "cheat" and so on and so for, none of them are in jail. You don't go to jail for having questionable morals.
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It's pretty simple: use a mirror, go to jail.
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10-11-2014, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DJofSD
It's pretty simple: use a mirror, go to jail.
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Oh, there are many more cheating devices to use than just mirrors.
Most involve cameras and computers.
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Want to know what's wrong with this country?
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10-11-2014, 11:21 AM
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#156
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Originally Posted by Stillriledup
The word "Cheating" has me confused. People go to jail for breaking actual real life laws and, not even people who break real life laws go to jail, its hard to go to jail, you're not going for looking at a card that someone else is showing you
. Plenty of horse trainers "cheat" baseball players "cheat" and so on and so for, none of them are in jail. You don't go to jail for having questionable morals.
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I doubt that any judge would set the bail very high.
But, in most states, you would be arrested and detained.
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Want to know what's wrong with this country?
Here it is, in a nutshell: Millions of people are
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chance of returning to the WH, assuming that
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10-11-2014, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by DJofSD
It's pretty simple: use a mirror, go to jail.
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Its harder than you think. If you're a first offender with an otherwise clean record, you're not going to jail. If you're a habitual offender, you'll be treated differently, but still not likely to serve jail time.
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10-11-2014, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
I doubt that any judge would set the bail very high.
But, in most states, you would be arrested and detained.
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I didn't realize Ivey was arrested and detained. News to me. And, since the court found him to be "cheating" when does he report to jail?
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10-11-2014, 03:38 PM
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#159
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Originally Posted by badcompany
Let's say a Blackjack Dealer is dealing in a way that inadvertently lets a player see his down card. Is it the player's obligation to inform the dealer of this?
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Is it cheating?
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10-11-2014, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TJDave
Is it cheating?
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Technically, no. It's a game in which the dealer and the players are trying to take each other's money. It's not the player's fault if the dealer is incompetent at it, the same way it's not Ivey's fault that the casino was incompetent in its selection of playing cards.
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10-11-2014, 04:19 PM
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#161
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There should be a Gamblers' Court
All you guys could run it.
Be great.
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Want to know what's wrong with this country?
Here it is, in a nutshell: Millions of people are
pinning their hopes on a man who has every
chance of returning to the WH, assuming that
he can manage to stay out of prison. Think about it.
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10-11-2014, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
There should be a Gamblers' Court
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Gambling
A parallel world where honesty is subjective. 
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10-11-2014, 05:00 PM
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#163
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Originally Posted by horses4courses
There should be a Gamblers' Court
All you guys could run it.
Be great.
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who better to judge gambler morality and cheating than those most familiar with the topic. Do you go to a lawyer when you're sick? There are no harsher critics of cheating than gamblers.
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10-11-2014, 05:03 PM
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#164
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Originally Posted by tucker6
There are no harsher critics of cheating than gamblers.
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Judging by the overriding sentiment of most on here,
there is no such thing as cheating a casino, or a racetrack.
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Want to know what's wrong with this country?
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10-11-2014, 05:06 PM
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#165
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Originally Posted by TJDave
Gambling
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Hate to break it to you, but honesty is subjective in many areas of life even in this world.
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