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Old 08-02-2023, 06:54 PM   #16
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A fair trial? what kind of fair trail did his victims have?--Fuck him and his lawyers
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Old 08-02-2023, 07:20 PM   #17
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In a case like this what about justice for the victims and their families--I just love when some of these low life lawyers try to make their clients the victims--that's happening more and more frequent--
That's just it. You don't focus on individual cases. You focus on the system.

Imagine if we got rid of defense attorneys.

I don't know why you're derailing this thread with this nonsense...oh wait...I do know...you're a disrupter just like in the horse racing section...that's ok...you do you
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Old 08-02-2023, 07:27 PM   #18
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you speak more nonsense than anyone-- I won't disrupt you anymore-take this site where you are a know it all and shove it where the sun doesn't shine--good riddance
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It's REALLY RARE, but there have been people convicted of murder, given a death sentence, served lengthy prison time, and who later had their convictions overturned based on new and/or DNA evidence.

Just now I went to The Innocence Project website, clicked Cases, clicked Filter, and checked the Death Penalty Case box.

They list 20 such cases on their site.

I randomly clicked on the case for Dennis Williams:
https://innocenceproject.org/cases/dennis-williams/

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Dennis Williams was convicted in Illinois in 1978 and sentenced to die.

A young woman and her fiance had been abducted, the young woman raped, and both murdered in an abandoned house. Williams and his friends and co-defendants – Kenneth Adams and Willie Rainge – were residents of the neighborhood where the couple was found and were seen on the street the night of the crime. Along with Verneal Jimerson, Williams, Adams, and Rainge were dubbed the Ford Heights Four.

Williams, Adams and Rainge were tried together in 1978, and represented by an attorney named Archie Weston. The state’s chief witness in the case, Paula Gray, claimed to have been at the scene of the crime with the four men. After her testimony secured indictments of all four men, she recanted and the charges against Jimerson were dropped.

During trial, the state presented eyewitness testimony placing Williams, Adams and Rainge near the scene of the crime at the time of the crime. There was a major timing inconsistency in this witness’ account, but Weston failed to point it out to the jury. A state expert testified improperly that a hair found in Williams’ car microscopically “matched” Williams’ hair, saying: “Just like if you drop two dollar bills and you see dollar bills on the floor. You see two one dollar bills. It’s obvious.” Microscopic hair comparison can never prove a conclusive match, but Weston failed to challenge this evidence. Hair evidence cannot be individualized based on microscopic analysis. Because there is not adequate empirical data on the frequency of various class characteristics in human hair, it is impossible to say definitively that strands of hair “matched” a particular person. There was also incorrect serology testimony in the case. The three men were convicted; Adams received a 75-year sentence, Rainge a life sentence, and Williams was sent to death row.
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A group of journalism students took up the Ford Heights Four case in 1996. They found a witness who had tipped police to the identity of the real killers shortly after the crime. The police never investigated the tip. The investigating team also found two of the three men that were responsible for the crime, who eventually confessed. The third was deceased. DNA testing corroborated the confessions. Williams, cleared through DNA and the investigation of persistent Northwestern students, was released in 1996, having spent a total of over 17 years in prison and death row.

Imo, EVERYBODY deserves a fair trial.

Without a vigorous professional defense you probably aren't getting a fair trial.

That said, I believe in capital punishment.

There has to be a way to review capital cases in a thorough manner inside of 2 or 3 years.


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Old 08-02-2023, 08:31 PM   #20
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you speak more nonsense than anyone-- I won't disrupt you anymore-take this site where you are a know it all and shove it where the sun doesn't shine--good riddance
Only a know-it-all when compared to the stupidity posted by a select few...especially on horse racing topics.
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Old 08-02-2023, 09:18 PM   #21
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Imo, EVERYBODY deserves a fair trial.

Without a vigorous professional defense you probably aren't getting a fair trial.

That said, I believe in capital punishment.

There has to be a way to review capital cases in a thorough manner inside of 2 or 3 years.


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The Charleston church shooter Dylann Roof should have been executed long ago, even SCOTUS has turned down his appeal.

Why is he still alive??
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