Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board

Go Back   Horse Racing Forum - PaceAdvantage.Com - Horse Racing Message Board > Thoroughbred Horse Racing Discussion > General Racing Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Old 06-07-2022, 12:00 AM   #1
SG4
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 915
Nothing sketchy about this

So an owner claims 3 horses out of a single race at Churchill over the weekend, when asked about this unusual occurrence this was his comment:


“We’ve brought them back to the farm to look them over and evaluate them.” Asked where the farm was, he said, “I’d rather not comment any further.”


This owner has had very few starts to his name (none in 2 years) and during his more active time he employed the squeaky clean Marcos Zulueta, who is currently doing more time in jail than these claimed horses.



I get trying to keep some trade secrets, but can there be any more of a red flag than refusing to acknowledge the location of a farm?



https://www.drf.com/news/leparoux-wi...race-churchill
SG4 is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-07-2022, 03:36 AM   #2
proximity
Registered User
 
proximity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: pen
Posts: 4,570
trainer john david wells?

makes me want to claim some with trainer ami stephanie beauttie!

she's french!!

c'est la vie and get your bankrolls ready!!
proximity is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-07-2022, 10:29 AM   #3
v j stauffer
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,284
I've never seen a jurisdiction that allows 3 claims by the same connections from a single race.

At Oaklawn we only allow one.

Don't really have a take as to whether or not it's good or bad.

Just have never seen it.
__________________
"Just because she's a hitter and a thief doesn't mean she's not a good woman in all the other places" Mayrose Prizzi
v j stauffer is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-07-2022, 10:57 AM   #4
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,816
Quote:
Originally Posted by v j stauffer View Post
I've never seen a jurisdiction that allows 3 claims by the same connections from a single race.

At Oaklawn we only allow one.

Don't really have a take as to whether or not it's good or bad.

Just have never seen it.
Article says 3 is the max in Kentucky, and happened once before with three 2yos claimed for 100k each.
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-07-2022, 10:57 AM   #5
v j stauffer
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 4,284
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj View Post
Article says 3 is the max in Kentucky, and happened once before with three 2yos claimed for 100k each.
I read the article
__________________
"Just because she's a hitter and a thief doesn't mean she's not a good woman in all the other places" Mayrose Prizzi
v j stauffer is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-07-2022, 12:01 PM   #6
Robert Fischer
clean money
 
Robert Fischer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Maryland
Posts: 23,512
Cool 'smooth operator'

Alright I'm gonna go down to Ky., keep a low profile and get a few horses going for more in the Mid-Atlantic, where I can then run, sell, or partner with Kernan/Ness/et al.

The silly quote and the funny resemblance of the trainer-of-record's name, is the cloyingly sweet icing on the cake.


as far as the current claiming/jail rules in Ky.? I've spent zero time thinking about that stuff, and have zero knowledge or understanding of anything significantly related.
__________________
Preparation. Discipline. Patience. Decisiveness.
Robert Fischer is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-07-2022, 04:06 PM   #7
AskinHaskin
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 487
Quote:
Originally Posted by SG4 View Post
can there be any more of a red flag than refusing to acknowledge the location of a farm?


The entire internet doesn't contain enough bandwidth to list all "red flags" far more significant than that.


Even Watergate surely had dozens which were more red.


In modern times, maybe make your own list of "red flags" from the recent Texas shooting which qualify.



Now maybe this story is akin to Michael Gill having once paid some Vet to saw the leg off of a dead horse... but the location of a farm (known or unknown) is way down the list on the grand scale of prominent "red flags".
AskinHaskin is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-07-2022, 04:44 PM   #8
dilanesp
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 8,798
In California if you claim 3 you bought 75% of the race.
dilanesp is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-07-2022, 09:14 PM   #9
Al Gobbi
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 996
Quote:
Originally Posted by dilanesp View Post
In California if you claim 3 you bought 75% of the race.
sometimes 100%
Al Gobbi is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-08-2022, 01:02 AM   #10
Parkview_Pirate
Registered User
 
Parkview_Pirate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,951
Quote:
Originally Posted by AskinHaskin View Post
...Now maybe this story is akin to Michael Gill having once paid some Vet to saw the leg off of a dead horse... but the location of a farm (known or unknown) is way down the list on the grand scale of prominent "red flags".
Agree. An unusual occurrence doesn't automatically translate to a red flag.

The winner, runner up, and 7th place finisher were claimed from an eleven horse field. $30K is pocket change for some people, and if you're an owner wanting some "action", this is a reasonable approach. I'd have to look over the PPs to understand the economic angle, but the rule that allows three claims doesn't seem out of line when you think about the "claiming game" and how that worked 25+ years ago. There used to be quite a bit of intrigue on the angles in play, and who was bluffing and what not, but that doesn't seem to be the case as much any longer.

My take away is that the contraction of the game and smaller field sizes brings up the issue of trying to protect the circuit from raiders who ship out of state. The competition between circuits will only increase from now on, but it's been there for many years.

All that being said, I have added these three horses to my watch list. I lead a boring life, and have the bandwidth, so why not keep an eye on things and look for those mysterious 20 point jump in Beyers?
Parkview_Pirate is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-08-2022, 11:04 AM   #11
proximity
Registered User
 
proximity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: pen
Posts: 4,570
in a five paragraph article words like parx, ness, wells, and (lol) pennsylvania don't raise any red flags?

i did have to laugh at how 67k people "liked" the article when this sport is lucky if even 67 people read as far as sg4 did.
proximity is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-08-2022, 01:41 PM   #12
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,816
Quote:
Originally Posted by proximity View Post
in a five paragraph article words like parx, ness, wells, and (lol) pennsylvania don't raise any red flags?
Bingo.
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-09-2022, 05:28 PM   #13
Parkview_Pirate
Registered User
 
Parkview_Pirate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,951
Quote:
Originally Posted by proximity View Post
in a five paragraph article words like parx, ness, wells, and (lol) pennsylvania don't raise any red flags?

i did have to laugh at how 67k people "liked" the article when this sport is lucky if even 67 people read as far as sg4 did.
I would say maybe raise an eyebrow (or both), but ALL the circuits in racing have their various red flags. The venues and connections mentioned hardly have a monopoly on shadiness....
Parkview_Pirate is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-09-2022, 06:02 PM   #14
cj
@TimeformUSfigs
 
cj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Moore, OK
Posts: 46,816
Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkview_Pirate View Post
I would say maybe raise an eyebrow (or both), but ALL the circuits in racing have their various red flags. The venues and connections mentioned hardly have a monopoly on shadiness....
David Wells in any context should be a red flag. Maybe John David Wells isn't the same person, but it sure as heck is flag worthy.
cj is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Old 06-09-2022, 07:15 PM   #15
TonyK@HSH
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 498
Quote:
Originally Posted by cj View Post
David Wells in any context should be a red flag. Maybe John David Wells isn't the same person, but it sure as heck is flag worthy.
Not the same David Wells CJ although the original is working with thoroughbreds.
TonyK@HSH is offline   Reply With Quote Reply
Reply




Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

» Advertisement
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:47 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright 1999 - 2023 -- PaceAdvantage.Com -- All Rights Reserved
We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program
designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.